Third migrant caravan enters Mexico, heads for U.S. border

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  1. Plus Ultra

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    Well of course! You thought this was BS?

    Everyone knows this is true; that tens of thousands of illegal immigrants busted across the nation every year and facing immediate deportation claim to be refugees with no factual basis, that all of them are scheduled for a "credible fear" hearing a couple of years later, and that most of those who do actually appear at their hearings have their claims rejected.

    The system is defective, presuming the validity of a claim for asylum makes no sense when most claims are being rejected. Claimants should not be allowed to remain in the US until their hearings when it is known most claims cannot be substantiated.
     
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    Then the first wall should be a legal one rather than a solid one.
    Speed up the asylum process so they are only in the US less than the 20 days that they can be detained. (Another destruction of American values by the ACLU)
    They after all are so fond of stating their 'rights', and one of the rights is a fair and SPEEDY trial. Let them have their right and then after trial it's on the bus you get.
    That would be the most effective deterrent to anyone thinking of entering the US illegally.
     
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    Now your starting to get it. :)
    There are lots of little quirks like that.
    Remember when Trump was having ICE run around the country picking up people. Well, it turns out those people are harder to deport than people caught near the border. So now there are almost 800,000 people waiting for their hearings. Obama spent those resources close to the border where they got expedited deportation. When Trump's knee jerks he often shoots himself in the foot.
     
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    So why are they waiting for their hearings?
    Shouldn't it be the Judge saying "Are you in the US illegally?" And if the answer is "Yes", it's on the bus they get ASAP.
    Why are we dragging out what should be a 1 minute hearing for years?
     
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    Laws, I think.
     
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    Sorry, Not a very good answer. Here is the process.
    https://www.usatoday.com/pages/interactives/graphics/deportation-explainer/
     
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    By limiting the number of asylum seekers allowed to come legally, Trump made his own immigration crisis.
    It's extremely naive of you to believe that the U.S. isn't "responsible for the well-being of any other country". You're totally wrong. The U.S. is the most powerful country in the world, remember? Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru and Uruguay have all been changed or influenced by the U.S.

    For most of the past century, the United States has unofficially regarded parts of Latin America as within its sphere of influence, and for much of the Cold War the U.S. actively vied with the Soviet Union for influence in the Western Hemisphere. The US carried on several military interventions under principles of Big Stick policy in what became known as the Banana Wars. The term arose from the connections between the interventions and the preservation of US commercial interests.

    Let me make this clear, it's time for you to do some homework on the topic. We, the U.S., installed puppet dictators. We, the U.S. put in place people that would serve the best interests of the U.S. over the best interests of the people in those countries. We are the great destabilizer of Central American countries. Now WE are seeing the cost of that interference.
     
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    That was then, this is now. I could care less.
     
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    That makes no sense

    You are admitting that the mob from central America does not care about our laws and will just do as they please

    As for your lib self-hating guilt trip count me out

    I owe the migrants nothing
     
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    An inscription on a statute made by a french person is not binding law.
     
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    Maybe Mexico will get sick of it and take them down.
     
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    Really? You're an American, aren't you? If you are, when did you cease believing in America?

    FYI, the meme isn't what the inscription on the Statue of Liberty actually says. This is the inscription that the United States has stood for for decades.

    “Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
     
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    Mexico is in an evolving situation, it has left the "third world", now is a "developing economy", their Department of State seeks to revise immigration protocols to reflect the significant reductions in Mexicans migrating to the US, the higher education and professional qualifications of Mexicans now going to the US.

    Mexico is still quite "undeveloped", there's plenty of poverty and some regions are downright primitive, but a lot has changed.

    Meanwhile, south of Mexico, in Central America, things are much worse. Central Americans would improve their lot in Mexico, but just north they'd do much better, this is what those caravans are all about. This is a transition period, until Mexico can accomplish a level of development capable of absorbing the Central Americans these will opt for the US.

    The US ought to foster Mexico's further economic development, or maybe try to improve things in Central America. The US will always be the preferred destination, but if Mexico became a more viable alternative or if the economies in Central America improved some of this migratory flow would be reduced.
     
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    We have already transferred lots of production and jobs to Mexico so what else would you have us do? Mexico's problem is unstable corrupt governments and there is nothing we can do about that.
     
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    Despite the quality of government in Mexico it has improved and the US has successfully and profitably transferred manufacturing jobs. Discuss developing strategies with AMLO, he has a $50 billion project for the south, its jungle there, so I'd focus on agriculture, they need the basics like paved roads, electricity and indoor plumbing. Fortifying the Mexican border would be a good idea and not that expensive since it's much shorter, but this is a sensitive domestic concern that Mexicans may come to support if they perceive the drain on their own development of these caravans.

    Ultimately we want to make Mexico a prosperous and responsible nation of tax paying contributors with honest and representative government, it's a long row to hoe, progress has been made, we want to pick up the pace.
     
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    I don't call transferring jobs to Mexico a success and I would suggest we have plenty to do on our own roads and infrastructure without worrying about theirs. Mexico had it's revolution with Spain and got it's independence around the same time we did. Subsequently they had 53 presidents in fifty years mostly by violent coup. It's gotten better than that but it's still a corrupt inefficient disaster of a government and money to Mexico is money down a toilet of corruption.
     
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    Yes I'm an American. Are you?
    You seem to think that inscription was America. It's not. It's a Frenchmans view of America.

    I am aware that your meme was a paraphrase. That inscription is not binding law. Let it go.
     
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    Joseph is mistaken, Mexico gained independence on September 27, 1821 (45 years after the US). Napoleon invaded Spain in 1808, appointed his brother Joseph king of Spain and war ensued. The mayor of Mexico City, supported by viceroy José de Iturrigaray, claimed sovereignty in the absence of the legitimate king (in 1810). That led to a coup against the viceroy; when it was suppressed, the leaders of the movement were jailed. The Mexican independence movement went underground and gained support in different cities. Some rebels recognized the sovereignty of the deposed Spanish king Ferdinand VII, but later the leaders took more radical positions, rejecting the Spanish claim and espousing a new social order.

    The promulgation of the liberal Constitution of Cadiz (in Spain) in 1820 caused a change of mind among the elite groups who had supported Spanish rule. Monarchist Mexicans affected by the constitution decided to support the independence of Mexico and secured an alliance with the former insurgent resistance.
     

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