This Cop Is Getting $2,500 a Month Because Killing an Unarmed Man in a Hotel Hallway Gave Him PTSD

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Ethereal, Jul 11, 2019.

  1. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2010
    Messages:
    40,617
    Likes Received:
    5,790
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Just because a jury makes a ruling does not mean the ruling was the correct ruling. And this jury clearly made the wrong ruling.
     
    TedintheShed likes this.
  2. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2010
    Messages:
    40,617
    Likes Received:
    5,790
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If the circumstances of this shooting constitute "reasonable fear of imminent danger", then there are no objective limitations on the use of deadly force in our society. It's all entirely based on the subjective feelings of the person doing the shooting. Because neither you nor anyone else can point to anything objective or observable that would demonstrate actual danger of any kind, let alone imminent danger. I realize you want to believe my opinion is based on some kind of "anger" or "bias" towards police, but I can assure you that it is based on my extensive personal experience with use of force principles, experience that far exceeds that of the average police officer. And I can tell you with 100% confidence based on years of experience in this field that there was nothing even remotely reasonable about this officer's use of force. If the jury ruled otherwise, it's because they allowed the unscrupulous defense team to hypnotize them with legal sophistry.
     
  3. HereWeGoAgain

    HereWeGoAgain Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2016
    Messages:
    27,942
    Likes Received:
    19,979
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I had to watch the video again to remember how it went down. The poor kid was scared and confused. The way the cop handled that was horrible. I would have convicted him of voluntary manslaughter, were I judge and jury. And the city should be sued for improper training. The problem was created by the way he handled things.
     
    TurnerAshby likes this.
  4. tharock220

    tharock220 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2016
    Messages:
    2,816
    Likes Received:
    1,612
    Trophy Points:
    113
    This is pretty much it. Cross your legs and crawl to me. Those cops made the victim do what were essentially circus tricks. That couldn't have been regular procedure.

    The problem in this country with cops is two fold. They're agents of the government which makes them infallible in the eyes of liberals. They're also armed individuals in uniform, which makes them deities in the eyes of conservatives. So cops are never, ever held accountable.
     
    TurnerAshby, HockeyDad and Ethereal like this.
  5. HereWeGoAgain

    HereWeGoAgain Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2016
    Messages:
    27,942
    Likes Received:
    19,979
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Liberals are on here screaming about abusive cops all the time.

    I'm not a liberal but the cops have been out of control for a long time. We had a bunch of cops in the family. And I have heard plenty. When one of them died, I helped to clean out the house. We found a huge stash of illegal weapons, as well as legal ones. His daughter pointed at one of the pistols and said that was his boot gun. He always kept an untraceable gun in his boot, that could be used for nefarious reasons.
     
    TedintheShed likes this.
  6. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,042
    Likes Received:
    39,232
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    That was my problem with the whole thing, and I think the supervisor at the scene was fired. He was spread eagle on the floor with no weapon in hand, they could have gone to him and taken him into custody. The person covering him with the weapon has one job until that person is taken into custody, defend everyone and when the guy reached back that was a threatening move. It's a tough call but I blame the supervisor above the shooter.
     
    Last edited: Jul 12, 2019
  7. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2010
    Messages:
    40,617
    Likes Received:
    5,790
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Did you also have a problem with the cops showing up Rambo style based on one unverified report of a man with a gun? Last time I checked, having a gun in America was a constitutional right. So why do cops feel justified in treating the presence of guns as an excuse to go all Rambo on everyone? When did that become acceptable?
     
    Last edited: Jul 12, 2019
    TurnerAshby likes this.
  8. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2010
    Messages:
    40,617
    Likes Received:
    5,790
    Trophy Points:
    113
    All it takes to die in this country is for someone to call the cops on you and say you have a gun. That is a serious threat to our constitutional rights and our liberty. Anyone who defends this state of affairs has no business in law enforcement and needs to find a different career. Being a cop in not a sacred right. It is a public service and a personal choice. Service means accepting certain sacrifices and risks that go above and beyond what the average person is expected to tolerate. Any cop who doesn't want to make those sacrifices or take those risks is perfectly free to find a different job. Nobody is forcing them to be cops.
     
    opion8d likes this.
  9. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2010
    Messages:
    40,617
    Likes Received:
    5,790
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I like how the defenders of this cop and this verdict keep ignoring the fact that the killer cop etched "you're f*cked" into his service rifle, the same rifle he used to execute an innocent civilian. That demonstrates malice aforethought. But the crooked judge presiding over the case suppressed this evidence. Still, even without that evidence, the video evidence CLEARLY proves that this officer committed a murder. I mean, for god's sake. The officer threatened to kill the man several times throughout the video. Take away the magical properties of his police uniform and badge and this becomes painfully obvious. If a civilian did the same thing, that civilian would be charged with murder and convicted easily. This was murder, plain and simple.
     
    cd8ed and TedintheShed like this.
  10. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    86,664
    Likes Received:
    17,636
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I recal the case and the dead guy did not obey instructions of the police

    And he ended up just as dead as a black guy in the same situation
     
  11. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2010
    Messages:
    40,617
    Likes Received:
    5,790
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So failing to obey a police officer amounts to a death sentence in America. I can see you are not overly fond of liberty.
     
    TedintheShed likes this.
  12. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2010
    Messages:
    40,617
    Likes Received:
    5,790
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Cop: Reach for the sky!
    Civilian: Huh?
    *BANG-BANG*
    Cop: He failed to obey my commands!
    Conservatives: HOORAY!
     
    Last edited: Jul 12, 2019
    TedintheShed likes this.
  13. TedintheShed

    TedintheShed Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2010
    Messages:
    5,301
    Likes Received:
    1,983
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Conservatives be like...

    FB_IMG_1562987346171.jpg
     
    Ethereal likes this.
  14. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2010
    Messages:
    40,617
    Likes Received:
    5,790
    Trophy Points:
    113
  15. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    86,664
    Likes Received:
    17,636
    Trophy Points:
    113
    A jury of 12 citizens heard ALL the evidence during weeks of testimony

    You didnt

    And they say the cop is not guilty
     
  16. Labouroflove

    Labouroflove Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2009
    Messages:
    12,838
    Likes Received:
    6,852
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I didn't like the shooting or procedure but come on, the man was pointing and shooting a gun out of a motel window. Sure sure it was a pellet gun but the man was foolishly brandishing the weapon in public, pointing it etc all from a motel window. The cops came weapons drawn as they should, it was the minutes of inch worm folly with the suspect in the hall that fatality was the final act in this **** show.
     
    Last edited: Jul 13, 2019
    TurnerAshby likes this.
  17. TedintheShed

    TedintheShed Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2010
    Messages:
    5,301
    Likes Received:
    1,983
    Trophy Points:
    113
    This cop committed premeditated murder. As such, the only appropriate response is the death penalty.
     
    Last edited: Jul 13, 2019
  18. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,042
    Likes Received:
    39,232
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Not at all, did you ever see the arsenal the Las Vegas shooter and amassed in that hotel room?
     
  19. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,042
    Likes Received:
    39,232
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Depends on the circumstance and what was the failing.
     
  20. TurnerAshby

    TurnerAshby Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2017
    Messages:
    8,592
    Likes Received:
    5,189
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Is making a suspect crawl on their knees toward the police standard operating procedure? The guy was crying in the video there were multiple officers
     
  21. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    42,133
    Likes Received:
    32,975
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Except they didn’t, they withheld video evidence and the judge refused to let the prosecution enter the rifle that said “you’re ****ed” on the side of it into evidence. Now why would he do that?

    Hopefully you never run into the same officer that cares so little for your life.
    Or maybe it would make you rethink your position if that was your son / grandson.
     
    Last edited: Jul 13, 2019
  22. Concord

    Concord Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2013
    Messages:
    3,856
    Likes Received:
    876
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I'm a lefty-leaning boy, but there's a massive difference between outrage directed towards a single cop and outrage directed at the systems that put that cop and this victim into that situation. The cop really has PTSD, as diagnosed by medical professionals. What does that tell you about the reality of the situation, here?

    This cop and barbie cop are two completely different kinds of men. Barbie cop deserves everything he gets. This man appears to have been a scared man in a scary situation. I don't think he should have been in that situation, but that's a systemic failure, not his own.
     
  23. Concord

    Concord Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2013
    Messages:
    3,856
    Likes Received:
    876
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    That is obviously not true. The video is hard to watch, but did you watch it? I think the cop was obviously way too nervous, but that's a hard thing to identify or train for until it really comes down to the wire.

    The fact that he's been diagnosed with PTSD should tell you something about his attitude to the situation. He probably wishes every single day that he could go back in time and change his course of action.

    Our world is ****ed up. Have some compassion for those of us caught in the cogs.
     
  24. Concord

    Concord Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2013
    Messages:
    3,856
    Likes Received:
    876
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    There are lots of reasons for evidence, especially some so incidental, to be made inadmissible.

    His PTSD diagnosis says otherwise.

    And you might think differently if the cop was your husband. Who cares?
     
  25. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    42,133
    Likes Received:
    32,975
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Yeh, it doesn’t prove the character of the person in question of a murder investigation at all...

    Yeh, his PTSD diagnosis... An interesting footnote, this individual filed for bankruptcy so the family of the man he murdered couldn’t sue him. Wanna guess what was listed as one of three possessions he wanted to keep?

    The rifle he used to murder this unarmed sobbing man that was crawling on the floor.

    Someone with PTSD typically tries to avoid items that trigger relapses.
    I’m sure he was so traumatized. He looks like a great fella
    upload_2019-7-13_23-5-13.jpeg
    upload_2019-7-13_23-6-17.jpeg

    After that video, absolutely not. I’m sure the mans wife and children cared. The officer surely didn’t.
     
    Labouroflove and TedintheShed like this.

Share This Page