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Do you actually think that making the accusation that the Democrats are politicising the coronavirus is WORSE than actually downplaying the virus itself by saying that it is just the flu? Surely not!

Well it's your opinion that this is why she had to go, but the reason from Fox was not this.

When she said it is not relevant. You said "10 days", so I'm assuming that this is the number of days between when it was first announced and when the ship arrived. So at some point during those 10 days, STUPID Rachel Maddow said that it would take weeks. It doesn't matter if she said it on the day of the announcement or the day before! Surely you can see that!

What do the measures put in place by other countries have to do with whether or not what was happening in China would happen in the US? Answer: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

Okay, so BEFORE social distancing was put in place in each state, it was totally okay to downplay the virus? Surely not!

This is contradictory. Do you mean that Donald COULD HAVE closed down states?

Okay, this is interesting actually. I didn't know that interstate travel was still permitted. Although I have just read that the Constitution ensures the right to travel. Did you know this?

Oh absolutely! I 100% agree with that. By his own standards that he held Obama to, Trump is responsible for the coronavirus outbreak/response in whichever way he said that Obama was responsible for the swine flu outbreak/response. We agree on something! However, by YOUR standard, you are strangely saying that Trump is actually independently responsible, right?

 

Okay fair enough. I'll respond:

If there was nobody else offering alternative advice, and then the people in the group follow the leader's advice, resulting in the virus spreading, then sure there is a connection. However, did Trump tell people to mingle instead of keeping their distance?

Well in your analogy, what is the "chain of command?" It's just the group leader isn't it, with nobody else involved?

I can't source that just as you can't source the opposite! So I guess we're even!

 

Politicising something didn't get anybody killed. And it's no doubt that downplaying has played a roll in getting people killed. I value the human life. So you know.

Also.. Politicising? They are politicians. They are by definition politicising.
Something up with that? It's their freaking job! lol
The GOP applied a political policy that was just disastrous for the US.

Fox hasn't been open why she got fired. Her show simply got cancelled.... to my best of my knowledge.
Seems logical her insane accusation was it.

Yup. And she was wrong, by a margin of 4 days out of 14. It's a lot. I admit. But it's not in the same ballpark of making insane accusations on tv or deliberately making something up / lying / fake news.... in my book. Get real.

People are just petty about this. Hence they are making it now seem as if she said this, while the boat was already there. And they are making it seem by not mentioning it anywhere when she said that, and when the ship arrived. That's misleading. No doubt about it. If the article was about She said it would take WEEKS, while it took ONLY 10 DAYS... than everybody would be.. meh, total waist of time reading this.

Other national government have been far more taking charge on the situation in their own country.
Donald also blames Obama for the swine flu since Obama was the man in charge.
And in that regard... Donald has done almost nothing, to even downplay that the virus is not deadly.

You seem to find it weird that I make comparisons in order to see how well a leader is doing.

Of course not.

He said he was thinking about to close down the tri-state area... and than he did not. And interstate travel is Donalds responsibility. Heck,.. interstate highways... for instance, is even the property of the federal government.

Yeah.. and we got the right to bare arms. But prisoners do not seem to have them. Weird.

Uh.. why is that strangely? He's the man in charge. The man who appoints almost all his staff around him. The man who fires who a heck of a lot f staff when they are not doing what he wants. The man who takes credit for a heck of a lot of things when it goes to his own liking. The man who is holding other presidents responsible for whatever they did wrong in his eyes, true or not. You make it seem that he is just a little insignificant cog in a machine. Now that's strange.

 

Oh heck no. You're moving goalposts. First you need to comment on the situation when there is nobody else offering an alternative, when something is being said that things than happen. It's not a coincidence or something. Get real.

Trump fires people who do not march the right way in his chain of command.... ALL the time.

Pff... Donald made it to the time top 100 most influential people on the planet.
https://time.com/collection/100-most-influential-people-2019/

So no. We're not even. And there is little doubt that you wouldn't have guessed he made it on that list. You're just talking nonsense. Very dishonest.

 

I thought I made myself clear. When there is nobody offering an alternative, then sure there is a connection between what is said and the group following that advice leading to a spread of the virus. However, you have yet to say whether or not this is reflective of what happened with Trump. At the moment, it's just a meaningless analogy. Sorry. Bring it into REALITY if you can! That's what analogies are for!

What does this have to do with the power of Trump's influence on the subject of epidemiology in the face of an actual expert in epidemiology giving differing advice? Answer: NOTHING!

 

Ah so... lets get this first. When you first asked, when something says something the group can follow... you already knew the answer. Thanks for trolling around. As for who gets what done, depends who has influence. And I just sourced Donald is one of the most influential people on the planet.

If you acknowledge that Donald is able to influence a heck of a lot, but not when it's about Corona... even when the guy is on TV blasting the latest every day on the subject.... millions of people are watching... than you made no case to claim it's "nothing".

 

He'll be right up there with Herbert Hoover when it comes to presidential crisis management...

 

Yes, and DOWNPLAYING is not what Trish Regan did! What she DID do - rightly or wrongly - was make the accusation that the Democrats are politicising the coronavirus. Now do you actually think this is worse than actually downplaying the VIRUS ITSELF by saying that it is just the flu? Surely not!

Yes, there is something wrong when it is being done mostly dishonestly.

What do you mean they "APPLIED a political party?"

I can certainly see why people would think that it's a safe assumption, but Fox's reason made alot of sense - I can see why programming would be moved around during this crisis. If you don't think that Fox has stood by their hosts in the past when they've said MUCH worse things than Trish Regan, then you clearly don't know Fox very well! It would probably take a host to say that all black people should be killed before Fox fired them for saying a controversial thing!

We agree again!

So then why are you excusing Pelosi in Feb saying that people should go to Chinatown just because, as you said, "social distancing was placed in March in CA by CA."

Again, that little thing called FEDERALISM is what makes it difficult to just close down states.

What the hell are you talking about? I mean there's a reason why conservatives aren't out there proclaiming that the Constitution is being violated because prisoners can't have guns!
Prisoners have lost that RIGHT because they are prisoners. More relevantly though, prisoners also don't have the right to travel! Because prisoners loose certain rights! Is this actually news to you?

By the way, it's CRAZY Bernie who wants to give prisoners more rights! https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...soner-felon-voting-rights-bernie-sanders-2020

You think that he hand picked the coronavirus task force members?

And what do you think about him taking credit for these things?

He IS just a little insignificant cog in the 'coronavirus EXPERT response machine.' Because NEWSFLASH: Trump's no expert!

 

I already stated I value human life. You're asking the most dumbest obvious questions with no point to it.

That's... applied a political policy.

If this is about comparing Regan with their other stars... who lied. Well some people just need to get the blame so others can go on with it, with a scare that they could be next. Fox is not able to just kick out all those people. No doubt they also discussed beforehand with managers what they are going to say, and what position they are going to take. It seems you do not really know why people have meetings. But that's why people have them... to mostly make others partially responsible for your own actions.

Because it wasn't done anywhere in California at that time. I don't like it that you're demanding some must be held at a higher standard,... because you don't like them their political viewpoint. Kind of it.

Yeah.. difficult. People not being able to pay bills, because they got fired over this being kicked out of their houses is far more difficult.

You claimed it was constitutionally to travel. I replied that it's also constitutionally to have weapons.... and added... but not always! I guess you didn't get the tip.

He probably asked Pence to do that. But Donald must have had to agree with it. Plenty of them people are standing next to him at the press conference... and most play a different roll somewhere for him as well.

Is my opinion suddenly relevant.

Never stopped him to make positive comments that he thinks that anti-malaria drug. His FACE is on tv ranting every day about this subject. He is questioned by the media directly. He answers them. Your claim that he has no influence, is not founded.

 

Yes, this is what I was getting at. I was just making the point that Trish Regan didn't actually do any downplaying of the virus itself, she just talked about the democrats' politicising it - rightly or wrongly. Other hosts however, were calling it the flu, which is obviously downplaying it. It seemed that you were under the weird impression that Trish was the Fox host who is MOST guilty of downplaying the virus and therefore you think that it makes perfect sense that she was fired for that. That would mean that you didn't hear the Fox & Friends hosts calling it the flu, which is shown in the Fox compilation video that you posted. I can only assume that you did in fact watch it.

Okay, so social distancing wasn't done anywhere in California at the time that Pelosi encouraged people to go to Chinatown. Okay. So then surely this means you think that BEFORE social distancing was put in place in California, it was totally okay to encourage people to be in crowded places?

What the hell are you talking about? You think that I demand that Pelosi is held to a higher standard than Trump? What the hell gave you that idea?

Are you saying that this stuff wouldn't be happening if Trump had enforced a national lockdown? You really cannot be serious.

It IS ALWAYS constitutional for NON-PRISONERS to travel. It IS ALWAYS constitutional for NON-PRISONERS to have weapons!

Exactly! I'm glad that you have finally acknowledged that Trump is not in independent control of the pandemic response and that there are actually others involved!

Yeah, I'm interested in why you think that it's a problem for Trump to be taking credit for things.

You seem to be under the impression that medical experts haven't spoken positively about the anti-malaria drug and that Trump is speaking positively about it with no basis. Is this correct?

 

So if Trump says that the virus is not serious and then Dr Fauci says that the virus IS serious, people will believe Trump?

YES when it's about corona, IF he was the only voice on the subject! But of course, HE ISN'T! Again, if he WAS, there would be no more America!

 

Heck no. She was making an INSANE accusation... that you can call "politicising" all you want. But it was INSANE. You're like.. everybody plays football, we're all football players. So we're all equal. And than I say.. no... some football players suck so much, they can't be on the team.

The White House kept a memo secret that the flu was really deadly in January. It says that this virus could cost the lives of millions. And you're holding Pelosi responsible for not knowing and acting normal. The WH put her in grave danger. They are contemplating about digging mass graves in public parks now, because the WH didn't want to say how deadly the virus was. And indeed, currently the WH is lying all over the place about China not being transparant.... while they knew all this time what they were dealing with.

Individual states in the US, and all kinds countries are not putting in a lockdown, because it's for the lols.

There have been curfews in place in the US before, putting an end to travelling around.

But he is the person primarily responsible for all of this, since he is at the helm.
So I dunno why you are making this such a point that he is not the only one.

He only takes credit for when it goes his way / positive news. He refuses to take credit when he does a terrible job.

Fauci says no where Donald says yes.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/05/coronavirus-fauci-trump-anti-malaria-drug

 

During a press conference at the WH, life on tv, millions of people watching... a question was asked at Dr. Fauci about the malaria drug. Donald stepped in by not giving permission to Fauci to answer it so Donald could give his vision on it. So yeah. Donald has that power of influence. Clearly. Facui had to find a different podium to expres his views, a much smaller podium..... where he has less influence than Donald.

And in case of your question. Donald has constantly downplayed how deadly the virus is. We all know that he did. He did that at his rallies and on his twitter account. Millions of people watch that. Fauci hasn't got that podium, buddy. Who are you kidding.

I don't see that Fauci has his own press conference live on tv and him being on twitter having the same reach as Donald.
You got to be kidding me that this is equal. Clearly Donald has FAR more influence than Fauci on this subject.
All you got going is: Fauci is an expert... so that MUST mean he has more influence.
That's a fallacy.

 

Alright, but was her accusation worse than her fellow hosts calling it the flu?

Okay, but BEFORE news of this memo was released in the media, you had the same opinion on the administration's response didn't you?

No, I don't think that Pelosi did anything wrong by telling people to act normal. She didn't know any better.

Did you get my PM with the article? You seem to be ignoring it.

What do you mean "for the lols?"

What federal curfews has there ever been?

So if any President, whether it be Obama or Trump or a future president, was getting the same advice from multiple experts on a subject, and then they make a decision based on that advice which turns out to be a bad decision because the advice was bad, then the President can be said to be responsible?

Because it's relevant.

I agree with that, but do you agree that he can take credit for everything that goes his way?

"There have been cases that show there may be an effect and there are others to show there’s no effect.” - Dr Anthony Fauci.

"It may work and it may not work." - Donald Trump.

I dunno about you, but yeah, those two remarks are RADICALLY different!

 

This is FAKE NEWS! Fauci had already been asked MULTIPLE times at that press conference! The media made it seem like Fauci wasn't able to speak AT ALL! You're being LIED TO!

Trump does NOT have more influence than Fauci on the subject of epidemiology! He does have far more REACH than Fauci - you're right about that.

If there was a national survey conducted on all mentally healthy, stable Americans, asking the question: Who knows more about epidemiology - Trump or Fauci? And let's say that it was impossible for human beings to lie so that nobody could troll the survey. Do you seriously expect that ONE SINGLE American would say Trump?

 

The others were parroting what Donald was saying.

This is not about me

not relevant

For the Laughing Out Loud.

hey.. so much for your it's constitutional to travel around, when the government can end it with a freaking curfew. Rather petty you don't concede to this.

They can quit their job if they don't want to take any decisions.

In this case.. Donald... TAKES the credit. It's not a matter that he is asking for it and we have a vote. Hence I am shoving the credit of the US being the worst hit place on the planet down his throat. And this is also according to Donald's norms. He previously blamed the outbreak of the swine flu and how that was (poorly) handled on Obama.

I spot a massive difference.
Fauci has been reluctant to directly criticise the president, with whom he speaks regularly, but has found himself repeatedly having to contradict the president over hydroxychloroquine, which has become a hobby horse at White House briefings.

 

Seriously...
It's all over the news that Donald stepped in so Fauci wasn't allowed to answer the question. It's on freaking TAPE that it happened. You're just very dishonest about it.

I made a perfectly sounds argument that Donald has far more people listening to him, that he controls what Fauci says at the press conferences in the WH. And you refuse to respond to that.

Say Fauci reaches like 10 million people in the US with this, while Donald reaches 200 million.
Than it is obvious that Donald has WAY more influence. Not knowing who actually reaches how many....
it remains still obvious that WAY more people are listening to Donald. Donald is all over twitter with his followers.
Donald controls what is said during the press conferences in the WH and on his campaign rallies in the past.
His audience is just massively bigger than Fauci. Hence his influence is bigger.

And I add. It's not as if you don't know this.
You're just trolling around and are dishonest about your denying position.

 

And what do you think these people did upon hearing what Trump said which led to the spread of the virus?

 

Right, so you think that the others are worse, right?

Your opinion is not about you? I was asking for your opinion.

To confirm, do you think that saying the Chinese government covered things up is a right wing conspiracy theory?

How the hell are states in the US not going into a lockdown specifically for the laughs? You're not making any sense.

You're making no sense! It's constitutional to travel around AND it's constitutional for the federal government to NOT mandate a national curfew due to federalism.

Sure they can, but if any President, whether it be Obama or Trump or a future president, was getting the same advice from multiple experts on a subject, and then they make a decision based on that advice which turns out to be a bad decision because the advice was bad, then the President can be said to be responsible?

Yes, but do you agree that he can take credit for everything that goes his way?

To confirm, you spot a "massive difference" with the below two statements? What is the difference?

"There have been cases that show there may be an effect and there are others to show there’s no effect.” - Dr Anthony Fauci.

"It may work and it may not work."- Donald Trump.

 

The right wing media like Fox, was at his lips, and blasted that message around. Fox has high ratings. So you know... why shouldn't I think massive amounts of people believed Donald on this?

 

I'm not the subject of this debate, nor am I interested to even know who exactly said what when at Fox, day after day to than have me interrogated by you how I judged it all. I'm not in your courtroom.

I'm not the subject of this debate.

The US government is blaming the Chinese government for some alleged cover up that they were not told how serious this virus is. The US government in the past claimed they worked very well with the Chinese government. An internal memo of the WH shows they knew it could be costing millions of lives. That's no conspiracy. These are FACTS! The US government with flip flopped and is lying now.

You asked "Are you saying that this stuff wouldn't be happening if Trump had enforced a national lockdown? You really cannot be serious" So I replied, they aint doing the lockdowns for the lols. I am considering your questioned answered.

You do not make sense. You are very aware that curfews prohibit travel plans, and that they happen.

Again. They make the decisions so they are responsible. There is a way to get out of this... it's called to quit.

My opinion is not relevant.

I spot this difference: Fauci has ... found himself repeatedly having to contradict the president over hydroxychloroquine

 

ROFL 40% may as well be 100%, it was 100% not "weeks" away, with her mocking and scoffing and rolling her eyes. It was there the following week.

 

The media refuse to broadcast Trumps coronavirus briefings... they can only get it wrong

 

Sure, but I don't understand how this means that you can't give your opinion. Don't you realise that you HAVE BEEN giving me your opinion this whole time?

The internal memo was January. The Chinese government knew in DECEMBER! Are you not aware of this FACT?

OF COURSE I'm aware that curfews prohibit travel plans. As for "they happen", well you haven't been able to provide a SINGLE example of
a FEDERAL curfew! I'm giving you another chance now. Can you produce? I'll be STUNNED if you can!

Would the experts that gave the President the wrong advice take ANY of the blame?

Sorry, but Trump is the President. Anything good that happens in the country, he can take credit for.

I acknowledge that Trump STUPIDLY referred to it as "basically a cure", but he is now on the same page as Fauci, merely saying that MAYBE it will work.

 

And what do you think these people did upon hearing what Fox said which led to the spread of the virus?