This is what I call fake science

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  1. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Donor

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    "Vast cosmic 'kilonova' explosions that fling silver, gold, platinum and uranium across the universe may be far more common than thought. Vast explosions that throwing out gold, platinum and many of the world's most precious elements could regularly be happening throughout the universe, a NASA study has revealed."

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...ons-fling-gold-platinum-uranium-universe.html

    And this is what I call real science

    "First human oesophagus created in lab using stem cells"

    https://www.siasat.com/news/first-human-oesophagus-created-lab-using-stem-cells-1410726/
     
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    TexMexChef Well-Known Member

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    I think the difference is not fake a real. It is more theoretical and practical.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Donor

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    You mean one is of zero tangible or material usefulness, but the other will benefit all mankind? Quite so! Trouble is that I don't think you mean it.
     
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    TexMexChef Well-Known Member

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    I like how you asked the question and answer if for me.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Donor

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    Good to know - I always aim to please. [​IMG]
     
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    Your definition of "fake science" is dumb.
     
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    The first of your items is a confirming instance of a previous discovery.

    The writing includes the idea of "radioactive light"! "Radioactive" indicates that decay is taking place, and photons are already massless.

    Really, you should stop reading the dailymail site - unless you're trolling for nonsense.

    The second of those two is primarily engineering.

    Engineering is oriented to making things.

    Science is oriented to answering questions about how things work.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Donor

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    :rolleyes: The Mail is reporting what NASA has publicly announced? And this 'science' isn't answering questions about how things work, it's infantile and sensationalized speculating. Do you believe the story or not? I'm not trolling, I'm merely trying to understand how your minds work.
     
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    Of course, it's answering how the abundance of heavier elements we observe in our solar system and in other regions of our universe came to be. Just because you don't care and don't understand does not mean it does explain "how things work" to people who do care and do understand. You never quite seem to be able to get that simple principle through your head.
     
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    Well, it's presenting a version of what NASA has announced in a way that will appeal to its readership.

    A cat walks across a road and a few seconds later a car passes by. Many people would consider that a pretty mundane and not particularly noteworthy. However a media outlet with an agenda could create a splash headline like

    "Quiet of tranquil village shattered as beloved pet almost killed by recklessly speeding immigrant" - together with a picture of Tiddles being held by his sad looking owner.

    The Daily Mail tends towards that kind of breathless, pearls-clutching reportage.
     
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    Perfect answer and end of thread.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Donor

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    But the fact remains (and I keep saying it) that NASA originated the dumbed down 'news', not some DM journo just back from his long lunch-break in El Vinos?? Although in the case of this story it might just as well have been??
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Donor

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    You're simply parroting events that you've heard or read somewhere; and of course you have every right to be interested in it. But you're correct that I don't care, and I don't care because (as I've said many times before), it has absolutely zero affect on my life. I just don't understand why anyone should be in the least interested in (using your words) how the universe came to be. What difference will it make if you do find out how it came to be - which of course you never will anyway. [​IMG]
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Donor

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    Thanks very much for your contribution. Better that than making snidey comments in the form of Likes.
     
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    So basically anything that doesn't match your preconceived notions of the universe are fake. Gotcha.
     
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    No, there was an article printed in Nature Communications. Here is a link to it:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06558-7

    It bears little or no resemblance to the Daily Mail's rather breathless coverage of it. There's no mention of gold or platinum being produced, instead it's all about a gamma ray burst and a gravitation wave event coinciding with a neutron star merger. Exciting enough if you're into that kind of thing.

    NASA had nothing to do with it, apart from providing the Hubble telescope.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Donor

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    The following is in the second line of the link text - "gravitational-wave (GW) event GW170817" What they give event numbers to gravitational waves (oops I forgot the hyphen) gravitational-waves now do they, and count them in one at a time? If the most recent was 'Event GW170817', does it mean the next one will be Event GW170818? Do they have someone sitting in a space centre counting them? And then there's this so-called 'neutron star merger'?? How can people with full-developed brains fall for this nonsensical hyped-up crap just because self-serving 'scientists' on lucrative salaries and jobs for life tell them it's so? It's an industry, and a world-wide one, so wake up and smell it fgs - you're being brainwashed? Why does the fable of The Emperor's New Clothes come to mind!!

    "So off went the Emperor in procession under his splendid canopy. Everyone in the streets and the windows said, "Oh, how fine are the Emperor's new clothes! Don't they fit him to perfection? And see his long train!" Nobody would confess that he couldn't see anything, for that would prove him either unfit for his position, or a fool. No costume the Emperor had worn before was ever such a complete success."

    "But he hasn't got anything on," a little child said."

    Think of y'all being members of the ingenuous multitude, and I'm the 'little child' who has to point out the bleedin' obvious to you'?

    http://www.andersen.sdu.dk/vaerk/hersholt/TheEmperorsNewClothes_e.html
     
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    Yes, they give event numbers, not least because it's a more efficient way of referring to them as opposed to "the gravitational wave that happened around two-ish last Tuesday, no not Tuesday last week, last Tuesday".

    It's difficult to say what the one after GW170817 would be called, it likely depends on the date on which it happens. GW170817 occurred on 17 August 2017.

    No, it does not require someone to count them, at least not in real time.

    No, there is no "space centre", though if there was, it would likely be Space Center.

    Why shouldn't neutron stars merge ?

    They are scientists (no need for the scare quotes - and I know you know what scare quotes are because we've been through this before).

    The salaries aren't that lucrative.

    Job security is based on tenure - that isn't guaranteed.

    Only your opinion.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Donor

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    I won't take you up on that The Don 'cos I have a feeling the thread will be locked if I do. But I could!! :nod:
     
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    Pennies from heaven. Let’s believe in precious metals raining down upon us to take our minds off the real scam; the GOP tax giveaway.
     
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    *And don't understand, and don't try to understand

    Yet here you are, starting a thread about something you don't care about and could not explain if your life depended on it.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Donor

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    Well take what The Don said, for instance - this 'neutron star merger' thing - how can two solid bodies merge into one?
     
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    Take some molten metal....pour it onto a Wok and watch the separate balls roll into one big one in the center. The Wok is space and the metal is plasma.

    A neutron star is not solid.
     
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    By gravity, of course, same as any two massive bodies, solid or otherwise.. How do you think the earth formed?
     
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    If you study science, your wish is too understand the world, not making new tool.
    The study of the structure of the atom was unusefull for centuries. When the first greek supposed that the matter was made of atoms milleniums ago, do you think it's usefull ? And today we're communicating from different countries because of this good understanding of the nature of matter.
    Every discoveries become usefull, sometimes after a few decades, sometimes after a few millenium.
     

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