This much is clear: The left values illegal immigrants over American citizens

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  1. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This much is clear: The left values illegal immigrants over American citizens


    By Patricia McCarthy
    January 19, 2018

    What has brought America nearly to the point at which the California attorney general, Xavier Becerra, is threatening businesses who cooperate with federal immigration authorities? If business-owners give information about possibly illegal employees, they will be subject to a $10,000 fine. Because Gov. Brown has declared California a sanctuary state, Becerra has proclaimed that helping ICE is a violation of the law. Senators Feinstein and Harris are supporting Becerra's dictate.

    Along with the rest of the left, the Democratic Party now stands for illegal aliens over and above American citizens. This is the crux of the current debate over the budget, a continuing resolution, the fate of the DACA illegals, and immigration reform. The left is going to the mattresses over amnesty for illegal immigrants. The right wants current immigration laws enforced. What a dilemma. Abrogate the law, or enforce it?

    The left favors nullifying American immigration law because Democrats need the millions of underclass voters who are bound to be dependent upon them. Who else will vote for them? Surely not the American citizens who live by the law, who revere the Constitution and do not want their country transformed by the influx of unassimilable immigrants. They know what has happened to Germany, to Sweden, to the Netherlands.
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    Our self-appointed betters in the media and government are overwhelmingly leftist; they are no longer liberal, but radical. The disdain for the American people among our elites is disheartening. But Trump is winning. Despite the 95% negative coverage of his presidency, he is succeeding masterfully. The left knows it, and leftists are scared.
    If and when the depth of corruption that was the Obama-Clinton-FBI-DOJ-State Dept. mis-administration breaks out into the mainstream media, they will suffer the shock of their lives, since the folks who deliver their news have not been revealing the crimes of their vaunted people in power. No, no, no. CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC have been keeping the facts they know under wraps. They too value illegals over citizens. They value their power over us peons, over the Constitution and the laws of our land.


    Source: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog...llegal_immigrants_over_american_citizens.html

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    Shielding illegal immigrants and growing pot violates Federal law, but it's okay for a state now to go it's own way, violate Federal Law and keep taking Federal money.
    It's just like Obama's administration stopped the DOJ from defending the Defense of Marriage Act in court. Never mind it was still a law on the books, it wasn't following the Dem's moral standards so forget it.
    But something tells me if a state decided to pass laws regarding no immigrants and open firearms carry laws that Progressive Marxist Social Democrats and biased liberal media would swoop down like a horde of locusts, never mind it's the same thing.
    The Alt-Left can keep pretending that these immigrants are the same as the 19th century and backbone of our society and our best and brightest, but the poverty and crime rate of illegals says another story. They come for free handouts and to send money home, not to become citizens.
    All I can see that will eventually break this is the sanctuary cities and states finally going bottoms up too many wealthy taxpayers and businesses have split and all that's left behind are loyal Democrat voters who want more handouts and don't pay taxes, assuming anything remains at that point.
     
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    Something is going to have to be done with that state.

    You know, it used to be a joke to simply cut them off, sell them to another nation, give them their independence, or whatever, but lately it seems like that would be the best thing to do.

    They certainly are hardly recognizable as Americans out there anymore.

    Either that or bring the hammer down on them hard.
     
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    Whereas "growing pot", except with regards to interstate commerce, is beyond the constitutional purview of the feds, controlling immigration is squarely in the federal wheelhouse. Article 1, Section 8 Clause 4 of our constitution says "The Congress shall have the power to... establish a uniform rule of Naturalization." According to our Declaration of Independence, "...obstructing the Laws for the Naturalization of Foreigners" was one of the grievances that led to our break from Britain.

    And so, coming down on "sanctuary cities" to enforce immigration laws is well inside of the Feds constitutinal authority, whereas, declaring marijuana possession, cultivation, or (in-state) sale illegal, is absolutely, positively not.
     
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    Legal immigration was halted between 1921 and 1965 to allow assimilation of the wave of immigrants that came here from Italy, Ireland, and Europe. Ted Kennedy got it started again and the Democrats support the illegal influx because of their need for a permanent underclass that will vote for them; the actions of the Democrats are contrary to common sense if looked at in any other way.

    Of what benefit is there to America to allow unskilled, dependent people flood into this country? The need for manpower of the early twentieth century no longer exists. Perhaps we have a moral obligation and ability to help less fortunate countries, but that does not mean we are obligated to open our door to them. If they want our help, they must be willing tp help themselves. We can supply aid and support for those willing to solve their own problems, but we cannot allow an "open door" policy.
     
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    Real Americans value the Dreamers are more than the Alt Right neoi-fascists who love the Russians.

    Yes.
     
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    As I said elsewhere, midterm PAC ads write themselves.
     
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    Sheer desperation, this tactic.
     
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    As a rare FDR Progressive, I believe we have totally screwed up in the lack of enforcement of illegal immigration, and in the manner in which immigrants have been chosen since Kennedy and what he represented in so far as immigration policy. It was utter stupidity what he helped to achieve. If you want to keep a nation healthy, you would not do as an idiot football coach and only recruit 99 pound weaklings with asthma. We should use immigration to improve america with the highly skilled and educated. NO matter of their ethnicity. For we no longer need to man our vanished factories nor do we need to settle the wilderness. Times change and immigration policy has to change too. I really do think that one of the factors involved with the immigration policy of Kennedy was to bring in more democratic voters. SO, we chose for that in consideration.

    We cannot provide for the world's poor. And should work with poor nations in a moral way to teach them to fish.
     
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    No one of sense believes you are a FDR Progressive, One Mind.
     
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    That's what our 7 wars and clusterbomb arming of the Saudis is all about. Corpses don't get hungry.
     
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    91% of the Americans favor DACA. That group includes a lot of independents and republicans. The missing 8% are the ones that drank trumps kool-aid.
     
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    Media Pushes Skewed DACA Polls, Hides Public's Priorities
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...onceal-public-opposition-cheap-labor-amnesty/
    Sep 2, 2017 - Media outlets are touting polls which supposedly show public support for the DACA amnesty — but careful polls show the public overwhelmingly prefers immigration policies which help their fellow Americans find good jobs. The pro-DACA polls ask Americans “'Do you want to be nice to people?' and most ...

    "“What people generally want is some kind of assurance that we’re not going to end up with another 10 million illegal aliens down the road."
    The true numbers of supposed DACA recipients is 3.6 million.
     
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    Nonsense, Wehrwolfen. We the people don't care about lies of the Fake Alt Right Media.
     
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    Just can't believe your lying eyes. Can you?
     
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    I once thought after ww2 that we were a good and moral nation. Oh boy, did I have to change my mind once I went to Nam and in the years since I came back to the World...the US.

    Of course a gov't cannot be moral when it is composed of immoral men, with probably quite a few sociopaths.
     
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    CBS January 19th (not five months ago) Nearly nine of 10 Americans support DACA but the majority don't support the wall.
     
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    If not, they have no idea what FDR Progressivism is. For you sure as hell do not see it anymore, unless you look at sanders. Remember how the establishment hillary corporate dems went after him? LOL They don't even recognize an FDR progressive anymore, and obviously, neither do you! There may be one or two here besides me, but most of you dems are hillary dems, and of course you wouldn't know an FDR progressive if he bit you in the arse. I was a member of the DP until clinton signed nafta and ran me off. You guys joined the GOP, in case you were not alive then. Don't even know the history of your own party. Not surprised. Books have been written about it, but you guys probably dont read either, except what MSM might print online.
     
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    CBS January 19, 2018 (not five months ago) Nearly nine out of ten Americans support DACA but the majority don't support the wall.
     
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    You don't know what it is. That's your problem. And you make us all smile, so keep it up. And you are the last person here, based on your writing, to give a history course.
     
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    Son, I was voting for FDR democrats when you were still but a gleam in your old man's eye. If you are a member of the DP, you do not care if that party stands up for and represents the people it once did. FDR slugged it out for working people. The only person I see who ran as a Dem was bernie sanders. My money says you supported hillary. Who could not give a crap about the working people in this nation. Nor any of you corporate democrats. I say you and your boys are post modernists, not FDR progressives. And are not astute enough to know the difference. A FDR kinda progressive would never have voted for hillary, but for sanders, like I did. I supported sanders on this very forum, if you had taken time to check me out. So, you boys are clueless. And it does not make me laugh. It pisses me off. But old men get pissed off easy, I reckon, at the bullcrap. You know, like you and others seem to throw. I suggest you eat it.

    History course? lol. Hell boy, I lived it unlike you.
     
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    What we need are leaders who care most about our country -- not the poor, the working class, the wealthy, the illegals, or any one group of people. Once you start out to help one group you are digging a deep hole, not to mention you are dividing the country. Trump is building up our economy and our military -- the rest is up to each individual to help themselves.
     
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    You are a troller not a roller.
     
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    Troller? Oh, you mean old FDR democrats who despise what happened to their party? Taken over by loony tunes, corporate/banking dems who detest working people? For that is the party you are a part of. The FDR dems and people like me who had to exit the DP, voted for sanders. The clueless, those that detest working people, and the corporatists voted for hillary. And they troll here constantly. You can smell em before you see em, for their breaths reek of bullcrap.
     
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    I am a Republican, and you One Mind are certainly no Dem. You merely are an ultra nationalist and populist.
     

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