This much is clear: The left values illegal immigrants over American citizens

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  1. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Er, there are legal criteria that have to be met. A judge can't simply waive all requirements. its pretty clear even in

    I have no doubt that out of the 800,000 registered dreamers there would be some criminals who have never been caught. In fact you'd have to be an idiot not to expect it. However, a couple of anecdotal incidents out of 800,000 does not much of a case make.

    But I realize that its not about focusing on the good, its about focusing on the bad. Its exactly the same thing when anti welfare people scream about the loser freeloaders and completely ignore the 10 times more people where welfare provides a helping and temporary hand.


    perhaps you should have clicked on the embedded link like I did to learn what exactly the process entails and what fences are put around it.

    This might enlighten you and relieve some of your angst and animus. That is if you have the inclination and time to understand in the first place.

    http://www.recordgone.com/expunge-criminal-records.htm
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    thanks.

    what are you up to now 10 outta 800,000? The power of anecdotal evidence is that it cements confirmation bias. It isn't necessarily and most often isn't, reflective of the big picture in any way.
     
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    These are state judges who are expunging criminal records of state crimes.

    The activist judges know why they are expunging someones criminal records but being state judges they have no say so in federal issues.

    This is all done behind closed doors in the judges chambers, just the judge and the lawyer representing the criminal alien.

    It happens every freaking day in California's courts.
    It's been SOP for over thirty years now.
     
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    Tammy Duckworth tried to pass a bill to ensure military pay and military death benefits during the shutdown. The effort failed after Senate Majority Whip, Republican Sen. John Cornyn objected.
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the fact you think that a twinge of conscience is a neurological disorder is indeed to be expected from the likes of such a dominate alpha male.

    Damn lucky for you that intelligence and empathy aren;t criteria on the membership application for your little fraternity.
     
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    if the left values illegal immigrants over American citizens, why is it that right wingers Reagan and Bush bring in and try to grant unconditional amnesty to those illegals?
     
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    In 1986 the NIS and the DOJ admitted that 40% of the 3 million illegal aliens who were awarded amnesty did so through fraud.
    Many believe it was closer to 60 % who committed fraud to be awarded amnesty.





     
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    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The last paragraph is a little shady and doubtful. I believe the federal gov't already classes Cannabis as a Schedule 1 Drug. Especially with the genetically modified Sensimilla that is grown in California. Some claim it's two to three times stronger.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Whosetalking about blanket amnesty for millions of illegals? I sure as hell aint. I'm talking about the dreamers.

    But then again, you appear to conflate legal immigration with illegal criminal immigration, so I can see how everything is relevant to you on any specific subject.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Shhh, don't ask hard questions, it confuses them.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's just political theater allowing each side and individual to express their support/opposition. They are almost always objected to.

    OTOH, I absolutely loved her "no 5 time deferment draft dodger is going to lecture me on military needs' and the "Cadet Bone Spurs" is absolutely priceless coming from such an accomplished veteran rendered paraplegic in service to her nation.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course the child is not responsible for his fathers sins. The whole damn point is that everyone sins for themselves.

    I chewed on it for the nanosecond it took to process and analyze. Either you think sin is heritable or you just like bastardizing scripture. either way its nonsense.
     
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    Yep I get it. Intransigent entrenchment will disregarding facts and substituting feelings and anecdotes are sign posts to bigotry.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No not genetically modified, genetically bred.
    And sensi has been eclipsed by all kinds of new breeds and hybrids. I can vouch for the fact that pot today is 10 times stronger than it was just 20 years ago. And when I started smoking 50 years ago, its about 100 times stronger, in fact it would be an insult to call that texas road grass crap pot today.

    Pot doesn't even remotely qualify as a sched 1 drug by any medical standard. Unless you might consider alcohol to equivalent to a sched 1 drug. Surely the effects of abuse are similar.
     
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    The Democrats and the "Gang of Six" proposal that they presented to President Trump on Thursday, January 11th that Trump rejected went beyond the dreamers but would also include amnesty for the parents who brought their children illegally across the border.

    So we are talking not about 700,000 illegal alien dreamers but an additional 1 1/2 million parents who were the original criminals being awarded for violating America's sovereignty and breaking our laws.

    While at the same time sitting in Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Shumers desk is amnesty # 9, a blanket amnesty for all 3.6 million illegal alien dreamers who didn't sign up for DACA protection. I'm sure that amnesty also includes their parents.

    I'm sure there's an amnesty #10 out there to cover the other 8 or 10 or 15 million illegal aliens ()undocumented Democrats) out there.
     
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    So your writing about amnesty for 3.6 million not 800,000 that were originally brought to America. Unlike the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, or the subsequent 1996 law that Democrats imposed without plugging the obvious holes in the law(s) Congress is looked to improve the law and give 800,000 a path to citizenship, not amnesty, while closing the border using walls, and technology. I grant you that walls and technology cannot stop all the smuggling and illegal entrance into America, but they can certainly slow things down for a while. The Israeli's have proven that.
    Proposed Bills have suggested that beside proving that that were brought to America as children, they would also be required to pay back taxes due, have no criminal records, make an admission of guilt, read and write English and if over the age of 18 years of age have a High School diploma or a GED equivalent. Then there is a minimum of a two years waiting period before they can begin the process of citizenship. Those at or above the age of consent may volunteer for military service and speed their citizenship process. Chain migration would not be included in fact specifically denied with the proposal.
    Obviously the Durbin-Graham proposal did not include any of these requirements.
    The proposed 2018 Immigration Reform Bill would also address and up date other immigration issues that affect European, Middle Eastern and Asian countries too.
     
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    IT ISN'T AMNESTY FOR ILLEGALS WHO CAME HERE AS ADULTS. Its for VETTED 800,000 kids of those illegals who by any definition you want to establish are exactly the kind of immigrants america needs and wants. its a pathway to citizenship for them.

    Now for people who've been here for thirty years and led exemplary taxpaying lives well that's another story. worthy of discussion at a minimum

    My only question is considering your constant expressions of "fear and loathing", "leftist conspiracy theories", and anecdotal "sky is falling" turds of outrage and hate, are you a wittingly or unwittingly drinking the russian troll feeds? Either way the effect is the friggin game.
     
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    Are we going to vet these "kids" as we did in 1986 and 1996, or should we have updated our vetting system? Obviously the Durbin-Graham proposal did not address that issue either. I'm not against immigration to America as long as it's 'LEGAL' my father came to America at 5 years of age with his nuclear family.
     
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    Still cant back up your racist accusation eh? heel boy...heel. Good puppy.
     
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    I've been told by others who should know, that all that alpha male testosterone shrinks brains as well as testicles.

    your puny uncreative attempt at wit provides anecdotal confirmation.


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    still cant back up your accusation of me being a racist eh? down boy...or no treat.
     
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    your lack of wit is only exceeded by your lack of awareness.
     
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    still cant back up your accusation of me being a racist eh? Hits dig with newspaper...no....NO. Bad little doggie. *Rubs nose in the false accusation* bad doggie. No!
     
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    fixated I see. ignorant **** from beginning to end. Fitting username it turns out.
     
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    Time for the Leftists on this board to eat crow made possible by Chuck Schumer and Durbin by shutting down the gov't. In essence Schumer and his Lemming Democrat Senators did not serve the people or this country well in this instance.
     
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