Those anti-establishment pundits who support the official story

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  1. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    Look what happened to this guy and his family.

    911 WHEN PEOPLE TOLD THE TRUTH, WELL........

    (5:15 timemark)

    The Curious Case of Philip Marshall


    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=9/11+mysterious+deaths


    Noam Chomsky, Amy Goodman, Naomi Klein, the late Howard Zinn, the late Christopher Hitchens, William Blum and a few others seem to be right about almost everything except 9/11. They cease to use the scientific method when they talk about it and ignore the crushing proof* that it was an inside job. Check out what they say. It's painful to watch (if you're a truther).

    9/11 Gatekeepers and Controlled Opposition

    (10 minute mark)

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+shame+of+noam+chomsky


    NAOMI KLEIN VS 911 TRUTH redux
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ-R-6k48qc


    Zinn on investigating 9/11



    How to Deal with a "truther" - Christopher Hitchens style


    (Christopher Hitchens lies about Iraq too. He may actually be a paid shill.)


    It's pretty clear that they don't even believe their own arguments. Some 9/11 truthers think they're sleeper shills but I think the most likely scenario is that some goons from the government paid them a visit and made them an offer they couldn't refuse. The offer was probably something like - If you don't play ball with us, your family members are going to start to have "Accidents".


    Here's a guy that got blown away before 9/11.
    https://www.google.es/search?hl=en&...oq=&gws_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=rRbFWcHXGc35wALuuq2ICw

    Look at the stuff he used to write.
    http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/CIAtimeline.html
    http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-overclass.html
    http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-chichile.htm

    Informing large groups of people about stuff the government doesn't want us to be informed about is dangerous. I would bet that those anti-establishment pundits fear for their lives and the lives of their family members. That's why they haven't joined the truth movement.


    This video is about people who are supposed to be very intelligent who don't go against the official story.

    9-11 in the Academic Community
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F2TWZ1xfJI


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    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...orted-9-11-terrorists.456423/#post-1066183060
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Chomsky, Goodman et al are likely just dissonant. The truth threatens their psychological well being, and so they force the truth away from their consideration. It's too unpleasant, and likely not a rational process.
     
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    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    Amy Goodman was allegedly present near WTC7 when it was destroyed. She does however support an investigation into WTC7.

     
  4. Scott

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    That's a safe position for an anti-establishment pundit to take; she's not actually saying it was an inside job. She's no moron though so she knows more than she's saying. If she weren't afraid, she'd be saying that the government did it and she'd be telling people to watch this video.

    September 11 -- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL)



    Do you mean they're in denial because they're experiencing cognitive dissonance?
    I don't think so. They're not morons and they've seen all of the other bad stuff the US government has done. The US government's planning and carrying out a gigantic false flag wouldn't come as a big surprise to them. I'd bet they have good intentions but they fear for their lives and that of their families.

    I forgive them as I'd do the same in their place.

    Check this out.

    http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=9211

    I'll post the whole thing in case the link goes dead.

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    Information Clearing House Publisher Threatened

    By Mike Whitney on August 10, 2008
    My friend Tom Feeley is in Big trouble. He runs the web site informationclearinghouse.info which updates “news you won’t find in the corporate media” every day. The site is strongly anti-war.
    Tom has gotten his share of death threats over the years, but what happened this week is a lot more serious.
    Two days ago, Tom’s wife found three well dressed men in their kitchen. The man who did all the talking, told Tom’s wife (I won’t give her name) that Tom must “Stop what he is doing on the Internet, NOW!” As crazy as it sounds, he pulled back his lapel and showed her a gun of some kind which she could not identify. Like I said, Tom has been threatened before, but nothing like this. 4 years ago, he was in a parking lot at Long’s Drug store in Southern California and when he tried to open his door to get out, a man in a car next to him opened his door at precisely the same time which prevented Tom from getting out. Then, a 40-ish year old man got out of the passenger side of the vehicle and approached Tom saying, “You need to stop what you are doing on the web”.
    Tom said the man was overweight and had his shirt untucked. Tom was taken aback, but (after collecting himself said) “What the ****? Who do you think you are telling me what I can do?”
    The man answered, “Tom, I’m just giving you some good advice. You should take my advice, Tom.”

    This is all I know about the incident. Since, then, there have been occassional death threats, but nothing like what happened on Sunday. Tom’s wife is hysterical and has not returned to the house since the incident. She contacted the FBI but the FBI said their was nothing they could do. Tom and his wife separated recently after a 30 year marraige, so he is publishing from a different location.
    The well-dressed man told Tom’s wife that he knew where her son lived, what line of work he was in, and how many children he had.
    Last night, Tom’s son and a friend cruised the neighborhood where his mother lives to see if anything strange was going on. They came across two men in a car a half-block from their mother’s home using their laptops at roughly 12:30 AM. When Tom’s son and friend approached them, the car sped off. Tom, does not know whether this is connected to his situation, but it is definitely suspicious.
    I talked to Tom this morning and he is getting by, but he’s clearly upset. I do not know his plans, but I know he is ditching his cell phone and (I assume) will have to go underground as much as possible. He plans to keep publishing.
    I’ll tell you this about Tom Feeley; he is no ***********. He is the “real deal” and completely committed to exposing the mob that is presently running our country. He does not understand why, (as he says) “They are reaching down SO far to get someone who just runs web site”. But, the truth is, they are. Someone wants him to “shut up” and they apparently have the muscle to do it. He knows he is in danger.
    I will probably only hear from Tom infrequently from this point on. But I will update information as I get it. Tom, knows some of the best writers on the Internet—many of them speak out regularly and forcefully on issues of civil liberties and war. Anything they can do to draw attention to Tom’s situation will greatly improve his chances of getting through this ordeal safely. Beyond that, I have no idea of what can be done to help.
    Mike Whitney
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    We have to take this into account when we listen to famous people giving their opinions on subjects such as this.
     
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    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    You're probably right but no one can speak for these individuals and they are only significant in that they have many followers. You hit it right on the head:

     
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    Tom Feeley is a brave man, speaking the truth. Clearly, he is not dissonant.

    IMO, true cognitive dissonance is an involuntary reaction in an individual. In some cases it can be overcome, and in others I suspect it cannot be overcome.

    Being under duress from external threats may cause a person to say what he's supposed to say, whether he is dissonant or not. Just thoughts...
     
  7. 9/11 was an inside job

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    Exactly like the JFK assassination,witnesses who had a story different than the governments ended up dying mysterious deaths.

    Didnt this high ranking FBI official who exposed it all here in this video meet that same fate as well?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0OjdDpRcEk
     
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    Gee, Trump promised he was going to tell us the truth about 911, but so far he hasn't...:clapping:
     
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    Some high level people want to say 9/11 was an inside job but know it would be career suicide to do so.

    911 Litmus Test ~ Ron Paul



    Check out some of the comments on this video.



    These people would probably be committing career-suicide if they said what they real thought about 9/11.

    PART 5: Legislators,Pundits & 9/11 Controlled Demolition Questions



    They might also be afraid (for their lives and the lives of their families) to say what they really think.
    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=9/11+mysterious+deaths
     
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    Gee whiz, all these Experts, none of which were anywhere to be found at Ground Zero,
    World Trade Center, N.Y.C. and I was there and in the rescue effort, turned recovery effort, and I lost many friends in that disaster.

    9/11/2001 has taken on a life of it's own and not one founded in reality and facts.

    So I tend to ignore these fairy stories since after all,
    I was there.
     
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    That makes you an expert on being there (if it's even true).
     
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    Have you ever studied physics? Aerodynamics or aeronautics? Do you know why Kurt Sonnenfeld became PNG with the government? Have you ever analyzed the 911 Commission Report? Do you think on your own, or do you prefer to be told how to think?
     
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    Here's another lying insider.

    McCain questioned about Building 7 free fall on TV



    Be sure to check out the comment section.
     
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    There are some interesting comments in the comment section of this video and it's relevant to the topic.

    9/11 Building 7 Exposed on Mainstream Media (C-Span, Aug 2014): Big Step!!!



    Here are some.

    I've always thought that C-SPAN was mainstream. I've been away from the US for twenty four years. Is C-SPAN on regular TV, or is it only on cable? I can't imagine this being on a program such as Sixty Minutes.


    I found this link in the comment section...
    https://morcanbooksandfilms.com/201...ieve-911-was-an-inside-job-according-to-poll/

    ...which says that 58 per cent believe 9/11 was an ‘inside job’ according to poll. Do you think that's true?


    edit ten minutes later.
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    Start watching at the 1:45 time mark. This guy is from CNN.

    CNN's Jake Tapper: Fake Journalist? Ignores WTC-7, 9/11 Responder Karl Golovin



    Stuff such as this really hurts the credibility of the mainstream.

     
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    Scott

    I'm sorry I can't provide a link to it, but shortly after the 911 Commission released its report, somebody conducted a poll regarding that report, and 85% of respondents thought the government was not telling the truth about the events of the day.
     
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    Thanks.

    That includes the number of people who think terrorists did it but the government let it happen. I wonder how many people think it was an actual inside job.
     
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    Maybe the approach is wrong. Rather than make claims that 9/11 was an inside job, which is truly a conspiracy theory loaded with supporting circumstantial evidence, there should be a much greater focus on 9/11 conspiracy fact, for which the evidence is overwhelming and clear cut. And the conspiracy fact is that US government is covering up the truth about 9/11. The evidence is the official reports (the 9/11 Commission Report and the NIST reports on the "collapse" of the 3 towers on 9/11), the many public comments by those responsible for the reports, as well as the massive amount of data still classified without legitimate oversight. That is, the official claim that it is classified for the purpose of "national security" (similar to the JFK assassination files). The underlying agencies making that claim are the CIA (the same agency that deliberately destroyed the torture tapes despite court orders to preserve them) and the FBI (the same agency that lied to Congress and the 9/11 Commission claiming they turned over all their data and were later discovered to be hiding over 80,000 pages of documents from their PENTBOM investigation). The point is this is incontrovertible evidence of a US government conspiracy to hide the truth about 9/11.

    It's much more difficult to push an inside job theory than conspiracy fact.
     
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    The cover-up is worse than the crime.
     
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    I can't say that but it is complicity so it is part of the same crime.
     
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    I can see where you're coming from. I don't know if that will get skeptical people's attention as easily though. I think that the proof that a 757 didn't hit the Pentagon* is so clear that it will get anybody's attention and that proof makes it pretty clear that it was an inside job because only government insiders could have pulled that off. Once their attention has been gotten, they'll pay more attention to the vaguer stuff that takes interested concentration.


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    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-pentagon-on-9-11.482175/
     
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    Reversing the burden of proof is never the way to go. I personally don't believe an airliner hit the Pentagon but that is strictly my belief based on what I have studied. For many it is disputable, even for those who don't believe the official narrative.

    There is nothing vague about the official conspiracy to coverup 9/11, it is all incontrovertibly proven.
     
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    I don't have time again to go through all your threads and links ... could you summarize the "clear proof" for me ... thanks in advance ...
     
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    You offer an excellent common sense reply there, but perhaps you don't fully understand how cognitive dissonance works in the mind. What it does is make the individual shun and avoid anything that threatens his world view. Irrational, yes, but fairly common.
     

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