Threat of mass extinction looms as million species face decline

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  1. Thedimon

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    There is a strong bias when using ice cores - on warmer years ice melts or evaporated, while in colder years new layers accumulate. That means that ice cores will always indicate colder years, causing the bias.
    Also, I’m sorry, but estimating global temperatures from 100,000 years ago from ice core bubbles is not comparable in any way to the accurate measurements of today. No effing way.
    Besides, cores are indicative of “local weather” and conditions, not climate. When you can get ice core samples from many locations around the earth, including tropical regions then you might be able to sway my opinion.

    Extinction due to habitat loss and pollution - yes, it’s undeniable. Human-caused “climate change”? Not really believable.
     
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    The whole world is working on a solution by cutting back on CO2 and you are pretending it's a "hoax". Yup, everybody is bought and brainwashed but you and a few others in the US. The rest of the world is wrong. Yup. They're all dumb. Gosh you're smart.
     
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    Paris accord is not legal in the US.

    Let’s think about it - in the US it’s common to see deer and other large “edible” animals that are not really afraid of humans. In Chicago area you can walk in a forest preserve and you can have deer standing by the trail totally ignoring you. Do you know why? Because people have meat in their refrigerators. Do you think someone in a third world country would just walk by such a large piece of meat? While I feel bad for rare species, I cannot blame a father for killing a rare animal to feed his kids.
    Also, what can I do about Brazil allowing loggers to cut down large junks if amazon rainforest, killing lots of rare species in the process? Do you think Venezuela’s government is enforcing nature preservation laws? I personally highly doubt it - that government will allow anyone to do anything they want for hard currency. In First world countries many forest areas are replanted, or loggers are leaving 50% of the trees behind. Do you think in Third World countries they do that? I can tell you right away - no they don’t.

    So, yes, current extinction event is largely on third world countries. What do you propose we do about it? Invade and install competent governments? Make them our colonies? Give them free money?
    There isn’t much you can do about it.
     
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    CO2 ppm isn't much influenced by local weather.
     
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    How can you estimate average annual global temperature in the year of 176,487 BCE with up to 1 degree certainty? Once you figure it out then you can compare today’s highly accurate measurements to historic values.
     
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    A volcano in local vicinity definitely will affect CO2 measurement. Also, large gathering of farting animals (c) AOC. CO2 is a fairly heavy gas and it sinks (inflate a balloon to see it with your own eyes).
     
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    Not knowing how scientists determine the exact speed needed at the exact moment in order to launch a rocket to orbit Mars doesn't mean it can't be done or that it's a "hoax". It means only that I don't know the math and physics.

    Not knowing how scientists use isotopes and other data to determine global temperatures 400,000 years ago doesn't mean it can't be done or that it's a "hoax".

    https://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/last_400k_yrs.html

    https://www.johnenglander.net/chart-of-420000-year-history-temperature-co2-sea-level/
     
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    Is that supposed to "prove" some amateur's point?
     
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    Figuring out escape velocity, the weight of the rocket and the weight of the fuel needed is not that difficult.

    Claiming that you have accurate annual global temperatures from hundreds of thousands of years ago based on ice core bubbles and ocean sediments is insanity - first of all, oceans had different shapes so, how do you even know that the ocean area you sampled even was an ocean at the time? Chicago area used to be a sea! Second - ocean has currents and currents change over long periods of time, so you would have a major difficulty figuring out where the sediment truly came from. Hell, we can’t even find the damn Malaysian aircraft that disappeared over Indian Ocean in 2014. The best you can get from these bubbles and sediments is a very, very gross estimate (+/- 20 degrees give or take) and it’s insanity to compare that estimate to modern highly accurate historic records.

    All you do is take global warming on faith. You can’t understand it, yet you think it makes sense and you want to go along with the crowd and support the theory without bothering to stop and seriously think about it yourself. You see cars emitting CO2 and you think they emit enough to cause major climate shift without realizing that one volcano is capable of releasing a lot more then humans generate in years.

    Our scientific knowledge is not that great. We have drugs that we know help cure certain conditions, but we don’t really know for sure exactly how or why they work. We have the theory of evolution, but we are yet to create a truly synthetic life form, and trust me, I’m an atheist. There are many things we can’t really explain.
    Running around and claiming we know with certainty what the atmospheric temperature was hundreds of thousands of years ago based on bubbles and ocean sediment while we can’t even cure cancer is just foolish.

    I’m sorry, but I prefer to doubt that humans cause significant climate change, especially considering the facts that we are on warming trajectory due to us leaving ice age and another warming trend due to our sun getting brighter and hotter due to its natural evolution.
     
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    Yes, the ice core bubbles represent local weather at the time that bubble got frozen. If I can’t judge global climate based on the weather in Chicago then you can’t make claims about historic climate based on some bubbles. And again, the bubbles have a cooling bias - in warmer years some layers melt and evaporate, so only the bubbles from colder times get to stick around.
     
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    They aren't making anymore land, in fact we are losing what we have.
    And there is too many people
    where do they get their energy
    Where do they eat
    where do they sh-t
    we are polluting places all over earth, that will not recover for a long, long, time.
    More and more every year.
    Natural disasters kill lots more than 100 years ago.
    too many nukes, in the wrong hands.
    Oceans fished out of most of the fish.

    Too many rats in too small a cage, they start eating each other.

    Have a nice day.
     
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    :roflol: we only got like 12 years and we're all gonna die and stuff... DERP
     
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    Oh gosh and golly! You should hurry to tell the scientists!!! You might save then LOTS of time!!!
     
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    Ice cores are not the only sources of data. Sheesh!
     
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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity

    Here, they even posted a formula for you. Escape velocity is proven in practice.
     
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    Your article talks about bubbles and ocean sediment.
    Great source of data... not.
     
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    the one I want to go extinct is the mosquito
     
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    and many Christians are against educating poorer countries on even things as simple as condoms to prevent unwanted pregnancy and desease
     
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    Thats true but we have barelybscratched the surface of more efficent farming

    We can do better
     
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    And the fire ant
     
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    Yes, thats true
     
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    and killer bees
     
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    We are all gonna die!! Start the looting!!
     
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    And all they can do is bleat about Global Warming/Climate Change/Global Climate Disruption.

    Not sure how that's going to improve agricultural practices, re-establish lost habitats and biodiversity, improve land management and urban planning, reduce the use of pesticides, etc., etc., etc., but hey - prattling endlessly about government-centric LW power grabs and how we're all going to die in 12 years if we don't hand more power and control over to the eco-socialists in Washington is a great way to avoid actually doing something about the environment yourself.

    Hurray for nothing! :woot:
     
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    And how many children do you have?
     

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