40 Economists Just Destroyed Every Big Republican Lie About The Healthcare Bill

If it collapses, it will be back. Getting rid of Obamacare is their number one agenda.

 

It was ALWAYS DOA in the Senate.

 

Let's not forget that this entire senate bill is DESIGNED to destroy health care in this country. No individual mandate means eventually only sick people will have it, and once they hit those caps ---- what's the point?

What a joke this is. All so a few ****ing rich people can pocket a few hundred thousand a piece?

And then people wonder why the rich are hated.

 

You're correct on this. That was the fallacy of Obamacare and the reason that anyone who knows anything about economics knew Obama was lying through his teeth when he campaigned for his program.

Single payer isn't the only way to solve this problem, but single payer will happen at some point. All the political gymnastics we're going through now is just part of the theatre for getting there.

Obama had many failing as a POTUS, but he understood group dynamics and how to achieve long term social goals. He knew the Exchange piece of the ACA was unsustainable and would collapse on itself at some point. But the Exchanges are not the crown jewel of the program. The Medicaid expansion was the clincher. This is where the majority of Obamacare beneficiaries reside. The federal program that was established for poor women and the disabled became the single payer home of the ACA.

Obama knew that once an entitlement is given, it's nearly impossible to take it away. He knew the Medicaid expansion would make it politically impossible for the Republicans to roll back those benefits sometime in the future. We're seeing that play out now. It's not hard to see a single payer world sometime in the next several years.

 

Allowing people to keep more of their own money is bad?

And why are the rich "scumdog ****s"?

Please explain yourself.

 

I don't have to explain myself. I am not indentured to rich elitist interests who want a 250,000 dollar tax break while people get thrown out of healthcare, parents can't afford to care for kids, etc, just so a few ****ing rich ****s can buy a new car.

 

The rich already pay the vast majority of the Federal income taxes. Why do you want to keep stealing more of their money????

 

So we should let people die, parents watch newborns die, so a ****ing rich **** can get another car?

 

IT IS NOT YOUR MONEY!

STOP STEALING OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY!

 

Because leftist socialist idiots are health insurance experts.

The bill allows people to form their own pools, and negotiate across state lines, for the 1st time in history, which will absolutely reduce premiums, as competition always does.

Why do you oppose this?

 

No, it wont, because the individual mandate is gone. Insurance companies already pool resources to pay claims, so "risk pooling" and "cost sharing" are just republican unicorn hunting. It's a ****ing myth, and anyone with any wherewithal in the industry would know this.

Competition? In a purely capitalist society competition ceases because one will inevitably buy all the rest. It's a failure and a mythology. Competition only works when the scum top clowns that the republicans INSIST on giving tax breaks too are not allowed to collude with each other, bid rig, etc, all of which -they do now and will continue to do at the tax payers expense.-

Anyone vouching for this ****ing retarded law clearly is an ideologue whose sole concern is undoing the legacy of a president they hated.

 

No doubt, bwk.

But for now, it's been HIGHLY enjoyable watching these dysfunctional republican clowns shooting at each other...

 

Triggered me? LMFAO! You are the one using expletives and personal attacks.

Why do you want to steal other people's money that they earned?

 

And now, Americans can form their OWN POOLS to negotiate lower premiums, even across state lines. Why do you oppose that?

 

My argument is that neither bill has merits worth arguing for. The problem with both is that they both constitute a federalized health care system, and that alone makes both highly ineffective and highly unaffordable. I suppose if I had to choose one over the other, I would probably choose the Republican plan, but it's kind of like having to choose between measles and chickenpox.

With a $20 trillion debt and growing, the federal government needs to know its limitations, and it reached that limit about $20 trillion dollars ago. We have 50 state governments for a reason, and one of them is to provide a healthcare delivery system most appropriate for their own state. Because states can't borrow without limit, as does the federal government, and because they have to compete with other states as well, they are much more likely to create a streamlined system that both the state government and their citizenry can afford. That, I would say, is the essence of rational government.

 

It is theft. Taking someones money by force is theft. The wealthy pay the vast majority of the federal income tax burden...

The top 1% of income earners pay 40% of the Federal income tax bill.
The top 10% of income earners pay 70% of the Federal income tax bill.
The top 50% of income earners pay 97% of the Federal income tax bill.
The bottom 50% of income earners only pay about 3% of the Federal income tax bill.

http://www.ntu.org/foundation/page/who-pays-income-taxes

Why do you hate people who earn more money than you so much? Being jealous and envious of other people is not a healthy way to live your life. Stop worry what other people are doing with their own money.

What schemes? Are you saying that ALL wealthy people acquired their money through criminal activity?

Another personal attack noted.

 

Blah blah blah. It's not about jealousy or being jealous, in any capacity.

The rich owe a debt to society. I pay their bills by buying products. That is good enough. If it isn't then they should be shipped off to north korea.

 

WOW...just WOW. You are debating something that you obviously know nothing about.

How do you "negotiate your own pools" ?

Your state line comment shows you don't understand actuarial tables......

We had a "free market" for the last 50 years, and how did that work for us ? Oh yeah, premiums were actually growing FASTER pre-Obamacare. But you knew that

 

Didn't you pay attention to the numbers MolonLabe provided? The rich are already paying a debt to society. And you buy their products because you want or need their products, not because you care one way or the other if they benefit from selling things to you.

I get it that you hate the rich. (Well, to be fair you seem to hate a lot of things.) But if anyone should be "shipped off" anywhere, it would probably be more beneficial to society if you sent people from the bottom half and not the top half. You (and society in general) need the income earners to pay your way....

The top 1% of income earners pay 40% of the Federal income tax bill.
The top 10% of income earners pay 70% of the Federal income tax bill.
The top 50% of income earners pay 97% of the Federal income tax bill.
The bottom 50% of income earners only pay about 3% of the Federal income tax bill.

http://www.ntu.org/foundation/page/who-pays-income-taxes

 

They already are paying nearly ALL the fricking taxes. They've paid their fair share.

STOP STEALING THEIR MONEY!

They provide products and services that you have an option to buy. Welcome to the free market.

If they leave, then whose money will you confiscate next?

 

Where were these geniuses when Obamacare was being passed?

I am going to guess they are a bunch of partisans.

 

If the top 50% of wage earners left, the United States would probably turn into a third world country.

 

All who choose not to have it. Such a world existed just 8 years ago, and we were all better off for it.

 

Here's what is even funnier. I predicted this a very long time ago. Even before ACA. http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/wat...-to-repeal-and-replace-obamacare-977250883998

Mike Pence in that short video just proved how (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) he is, along with all the Sheep who follow him.

These folks, still, after all this time have not figured out one fundamental reality. "YOU CAN'T CHEAT MATH". Lol! And they keep thinking they can. These poor lost souls.

Without medicare for all, or some other government phase to health care, there is no private system that is doable, because the math simply does not allow for it.

Ever since, and before the nut jobs voted to repeal and replace years ago, I knew it then that they had no plan. They still can't get it in their heads that a plan to cover everyone and make it affordable is only a reality by taking the privatization out of it. In other words, they are beating a dead horse. The math simply isn't there.

Sure, they can pass repeal and replace. But, in the Republican world of math, repeal and replace involve replacing it with "nothing". Because "something", doesn't exist, as long as they use "their" math. They're just too (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) to see it.

Of course, the Republicans in Congress aren't really that (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*). They've always known the math won't work. But, what they are though, is just (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) enough to box themselves into a corner with HC and this unworkable math, but yet, smart enough to fool the Sheep who follow their lead about HC.

Bottom line, the repeal and replace can never be anything more than repeal and replace with "nothing" as long as they insist on the privatization of HC.

 

By going back to 50 million people uninsured, we most certainly will.