40 Economists Just Destroyed Every Big Republican Lie About The Healthcare Bill

Ya, right...we've heard that before.

 

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Speaking of moral depravity, it's about time someone cornered up this dried up lizard and forced him to answer for his own selective stupidity on the subject; https://www.dailykos.com/story/2017...tch-If-Not-Murder-Then-What-Would-You-Call-It

Lordy, I sure hope his HC is in tact? Looks like Dementia is getting the better of him;

 

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And those hospitals generally don't last forever either;http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/georgias-deal-tighten-er-access

But what they do do, is tack on added pro-rated prices to other folks who do have insurance, mandating them to pay the difference. Sound familiar?

 

That was going on before Obamacare, remember?

 

How are they freebies if people are paying for it?

You want to talk about freebies, now these are freebies on steroids;

 

It is a for profit hospital, but interesting you are concerned about rural hospitals seeing as how obamacare hurt them greatly by lowering reimbursement rates and taking away federal funding for treating the indigent. https://spectator.org/obamacare-is-killing-rural-hospitals-and-their-patients/

 

Negative! He's not the one putting them out of business. It's Republican Governors like Deal who aren't allowing the funding for those hospitals. Obviously you ignored my link; http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/georgias-deal-tighten-er-access

 

LOL. You didn't read mine apparently since is specifically states that one of the reasons rural hospitals have been closing since Obamacare went into effect is because they only get reimbursed for actual out of pocket costs which takes the slack out of their budgets. You also haven't refuted that the federal funds that hospitals used to be paid to treat people with no insurance to defray costs was largely reallocated to pay for Obamacare.

 

We'll never know because those exchanges that would have gone to Ga., were never allocated to them from the beginning, because Deal turned them down. So you can't invent some argument about funds that were intended to go one place but didn't, only to go some place else. That wasn't the fault of Obamacare. That was the fault of a Republican Governor turning down funds from the beginning. That's how the Republican scam of implosion began. Starve the beast, and it will surely fail. It's exactly what the Right is doing now. And it's all a manufactured problem that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Obamacare being a failure. It's being starved on purpose.

 

Lets repeal Obamacare and here are some ideas for doing this. You might like some and not like others. Take what you need.
1: Cut and simplify the regulations and red tape, and lawsuits and make healthcare simple and make it easy to start up a healthcare business.
2: Break up the monopolies and oligopolies in healthcare, lets get more competition.
3: Allow us to freely get our healthcare from other countries since they are way cheaper.
4: Force insurance companies and hospitals to have simple pricing and policies normal people can understand and put their prices publicly to a site that can compare them to the competition.
5: Mostly cover preventative care, tax cigarettes, alcohol, and junk food that lead to higher cost, and also allow insurance companies to charge people with these problems a lot more.
6: Don't cover really expensive treatments or an excessive number of medical tests as much, this reduces healthcare costs.
7: Limit prices, wages, and profits in the healthcare industry.
8: Simplify all the government healthcare that includes Medicare, Medicaid, Veterans, and Obamacare under one system with a public option and subsidies, provide enough subsidies to people so the uninsured rate doesn't skyrocket. The government will be a strong force covering a lot of people with a lot of weight to negotiate for drug prices and care prices.
9: Provide a lot more student aid to students going into healthcare to get more competition in the industry.

 

I haven't invented any argument. The PPACA cut Disproportionate Share Hospital funding by $20B over six years to 2020 when enacted. That is the real fault of Obamacare because that was part of the federal law over which not one governor had any control at all.

 

Many countries are already doing some things similar to what you are describing. I already do number 3 myself and it's great, because it is very cheap, and the service is better than it is here. They do what I call a mixed bag. And it seems to work out fine. Everyone is included with some type HC depending on income, or no income.

 

I never said the ACA was a good bill. In fact, I said the opposite. Now I strongly suggest you join me in 2017 and understand what this thread is about. We aren't arguing the merits of the ACA. We're arguing the merits of the bill currently being debated in the US Senate.

 

http://www.factcheck.org/2017/03/employer-premiums-and-the-aca/

http://time.com/money/4503325/obama-health-care-costs-obamacare/

(here's the relevant part in the Time link):

In 2008, the average employer-sponsored family plan cost a total of $12,680, with employees footing $3,354 of the bill, according to Kaiser data. By 2016, the cost of the average employer family plan was up to $18,142 for the year, with workers picking up $5,277 of the tab.

These increased costs for employers and employees alike may seem steep—up around 50% over the past eight years—but they could have risen far higher had the Affordable Care Act never passed. The Kaiser study shows that average family premiums rose 20% from 2011 to 2016. That rate of increase is actually much lower than the previous five years (up 31% from 2006 to 2011) and the five years before that (up 63% from 2001 to 2006).

 

Sorry, I can't find a singled credible link to show that people have decided not to be doctors because of the ACA. All I can see is that the ACA will result in an increased demand for doctors as the population ages. What's the alternative - not treat the aging population? Not provide them with healthcare?

Insurance costs have increased at an alarming rate, both before and after the ACA was passed. If you're being honest, you will acknowledge that the rate decreased after the passing of the ACA. You can also Google and find that information.

 

I'm a rock-solid economic Conservative, but I don't like the so-called "health" bill, either! The government has no damned business or constitutional authorization to be creating a big Welfare Circus for medical services. And that's all that Medicaid and all these "subsidies" are -- handout welfare! "Subsidy" is nothing but another word for welfare!

So now the hyperliberal, rabid Democrat Left is whining and wailing about the millions of freeloaders, moochers, parasites, and bums who won't get free or heavily "subsidized" healthcare while everyone else's insurance premiums are being shot to the stratosphere? Well, TOO F*CKING BAD! If the big news headline read instead, "Millions of kids won't get to raid someone else's cookie jar for free!" would you piss and moan like you do over this damned socialized medicine scam?

I wish Trump would never have touched this stinking pile of hyperlib sh*t called "Obamacare" in the first place. Like all socialist programs, Obamacare is/was already on an undeniable trajectory that would take it straight into failure and complete dysfunction. Trump should have just let the damn thing commit suicide on its own, exactly as Obama's stooges and liberal morons designed it to do. He SHOULD have said, "If you like your Obamacare, you can KEEP your Obamacare!", and leave this giant pile of festering crap alone. But now it's all going to be the Republicans' fault, and all the rabid Democrat hyenas will get to foam at the mouth about how Republicans caused the problems when it was, in FACT, caused solely and entirely by THEM!

 

Nonsense. I had obamacare and live in one of the most liberal states in the country. My premiums shot way up as did my deductible. This myth that the Republicans are responsible for the obamacare has been debunked. Just as the claim that millions will die under this new plan. If that were the case it would have happened under obamacare as there are still tens of millions without insurance.

 

THAT IS FALSE. (There, I put it in all-caps and bold so maybe it will help get the point across.) I realize this falsehood has been perpetuated by the left, but all it does when you repeat it is demonstrate your lack of understanding of insurance prior to Obamacare.

Because the people receiving it aren't the people paying for it. If you get it for free because my taxpayer money is funding it, it's a "freebie" for you.

 

So do you have Obamacare insurance or not?

 

Thanks for providing the links. Very good information.

It's a complex environment, so we don't know for sure what impact the ACA had on increases noted above. But it certainly didn't go down as Obama stated it would:

“people who already have insurance, and the employers who are providing it,” he said at one campaign event, “we will work to lower your premiums by up to $2,500 per family.”

Anyway, thanks again.

 

250000 tax cut for the top richest americans. Sorry, I fully, fully oppose any such welfare for the richest scumdog ****s in this nation.

 

Of course premiums are going to increase. We have a for profit model. That needs to change. SIngle payer is the only way to cure this problem.

 

Looks like support for this Trump-McConnellcare POS is collapsing as we type.

GREAT to see...

 

Debunked How?

If you don't have insurance, you have a better than average chance of being dead a whole lot sooner, versus having it.