Time to Get Out of Afghanistan

Clearly, neither Dirty Donnie nor his trumpettes care about Americans or innocents.

As for a the political loss by DD, that's all on him. This mess is 100% in his control.

 

They are but they don't run the military. The white house does that.

 

Mmm. I suppose it depends on what your definition of the "White House" is? If by that term you mean the president then I have to partially disagree. Partially because sometimes the CEO does run things but at other times the CEO doesn't.

 

You can disagree but our constitution puts the military under the president. He is CEO and commander in chief.

 

Clearly, how about an example?

 

In law yes. In reality it's not always the case.

 

I am not concerned with losing. What concerns me is that our withdrawal would leave the country wide open to terrorist groups who would become more aggressive and maybe attack our mainland again. Osama is dead and there are many wannabees.

 

If Bush had unleashed a low-level nuclear weapon and eliminated the problem, we might not be there today. I was opposed to it
at the time, but hindsight is a better way.

 

True, but it did happen there.

 

Should I/ Should I not? Okay, what the hell, I will.

What evidence do you have that Afghanistan housed the "terrorists" that "attacked your mainland" in the first place - let alone may do so again?

Do you think the Taliban and Al-Qaeda are one and the same?

 

Didn't Osama disappear into the mountains of Afganistan? That was my understanding. I don't know who is what.
What country are you from?

 

One of the basic lessons in military history is that so far nobody has won a war in or against Afghanistan! Even Alexander the Great, who allegedly was the last to succeed, had not actually made it in reality!
Now, after nearly 18 years of use and fighting thousands of dead and BVerwundeten US soldiers in Afghanistan, the Americans come slowly to the conclusion that you will never succeed. Some take longer to understand the truth and put off the previous arrogance in the matter!

Yet the beginning of the whole thing was perfectly legitimate and just after the 9/11 attacks by Al Qaeda, which had its headquarters in Afghanistan and was protected by the scum of the Taliban.

Note: Yes I know, you and others see it differently at 9/11, ie conspiration / inside job of CIA etc., but I see it differently and follow the official story mostly, because it is coherent and proven for me that it was Al Qaeda. So no discussion about this here necesessary

The US and its allies ... remember: 9/11 was a NATO Article 5 defense case, and to this day almost all NATO members are fighting in Afghanistan with many dead and wounded soldiers, not just the US! ... started with a very clever and clever approach. One would have thought they had learned from history: total support for the Northern Alliance, deployment of CIA and other special forces on the ground, as little regular regular ground troops as possible, and massive air support. Already the Taliban and Al Qaeda were beaten and on the run ... without making the mistake of the others of the past.

But then American arrogance came through and the capitulation was rejected / not allowed. Thus, the chance was once and for all forgiven to do what you wanted to do here and then successfully retreat from this mad house! Now, 18 years on, you have enough of Afghanistan in the US ... and the next evil American behavior comes out again!
As soon as you are ripped off with something that you have to endure yourself, but can not finish successfully and which has lost support in the US population, comes a "mission accomplished" where nothing is really accomplished and you disappear as quickly as possible. ..
Was so in Vietnam, was in Lebanon in the 1980's, was in Iraq after 2012 ... is so announced for Syria and is now also in Afghanistan the case!

 

I'm a Brit although what that has to do with my question I don't know?

 

Has nothing to do with the question. I am curious about and appreciate viewpoints from people of other countries.

 

Good to see you back Mandelus - recovering from Christmas?

Yes, I do have many questions about 9/11.

I am not alone in that. A Chapman University study in 2016 concluded that half of all Americans believe the government is concealing information about that event.

Interestingly, British media outlet True Publica has just published an article reporting that a group of 9/11 entities have just forced the first grand jury investigation into 9/11. This is quite a big event.

Former Reagan admin Assistant Secretary to the Treasury for Economic Policy says about this that this grouping have presented sufficient hard evidence to the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York to force his compliance with the law and convene a grand jury to investigate 9/11 as a criminal event. Roberts adds in this regard that this could only have happened had a sufficient volume of hard evidence been presented as the Attorney would not proceed on the basis of a mere conspiracy theory.

But what really caught my eye was the following editorial statement by True Publica Editor:

https://truepublica.org.uk/global/some-interesting-new-information-about-9-11/

The editor of the above media outlet could hardly been clearer. The government has withheld and/or suppressed crucial evidence and the mainstream media hitherto have mocked anyone as a conspiracy theorist who tried to elevate the subject to a serious level by questioning the official narrative on the matter.

Mocking and engaging in ad hom name calling is no way to proceed on such a serious subject and this alone should alarm us all.

And yet the cynic in me considers that the US Attorney will manage to find a way to abort this investigation. The deep state will insist upon it, which is why True Publica's editor concludes "it will be interesting to see how the US Attorney presented with evidence from so many prominent professionals will bury yet more 9/11 evidence". He closes with "don't hold your breath though...".

I'm not.

 

POTUS serves at the pleasure of the military industrial complex. The US Constitution has become only window dressing.

 

It is always the case. We have had civilian management of the military since the country was founded.

 

What happens when the civilian management is a Rabbi and/or citizen of another country?

 

Thats what losing means

 

What the heck are you talking about?

 

Not really. We aren't winning in that there is no end in sight but we certainly aren't losing. That would imply that the Taliban are actively beating us.

 

Sure. All the unemployed federal workers due to Dirty Donnie's temper tantrum government shutdown as well as the unemployed federal contractors that will never get back pay are all Americans DD and you care nothing about in an absurd pursuit of power.

 

Hi mate,

yes ... I am partly back, depending on how I have time

You know, in general, I've been busy with the conspiracy theories around 9/11 for a long time and found that this is all total nonsense. I really do not want to go into detail or have any discussions yet ... but let's just take 1 thing that was mentioned in the context of 9/11 by the so-called "Truthers" as evidence for conspiracy...

The fire in the WTC had not been hot enough to melt the steel girders, so it could only have been an inside job.
Really? Who said the steel beams needed to melt before the building collapsed? Only her truther, nobody else! The fact is that the crash destroyed the fire protection as well as the entire floors and the fire was hot enough to structurally weaken the steel girders so that they bend through the load! That this was the case and really happens was by a trial of a university proofed ... which of course was ignored or disputed by the conspiracy guys!

Of course this is only 1 point, but is an example for the complete issue... and this is why I am tired to discuss the issue anymore. Shall people believe what they want, their thing not my ... but if they claim things to me, I want to have evidences and until now no one was able to give me such things!
All just assumptions and mind games and things that are partially torn from a different context ... let alone idiotic claims. No evidence to this day and everything delivered has been refuted ... like the thing about the molten steel bars that could not have melted!

Anyway ... topic here is Afghanistan and no matter how someone rates 9/11 at least, the point is that the US hat the golden oppotunity to end the war end of 2001 and to go out of the mad house, but they failed due to arrogance! Agreed?

 

The U.S. doesn't have non-citizens in the position of president. The constitution doesn't allow it. Religion is not a bar to the presidency.

 

No. By withdrawing we have not lost, but we leave the country open to expanded terrorist control.