To Kill A Cure

I've perused reports of a number of studies, adhering to the gold standard of research, double blind placebo based, blah, blah, blah. The overwhelming majority appear to have been designed to prevent the use of hydroxychloroquine.

ZINC is what attacks viruses
Azithromycin prevents secondary pulmonary problems by attacking bacteria
hydroxychloroquine facilitates the absorption of ZINC by cells to kill the virus

So, when you see a report of a double blind blah, blah, blah ,,, that gave some patients HCQ, others HCQ + AZ and still others a placebo, you are being conned. No one would expect a swill that includes nothing that kills viruses to kill COVID-19.

Here is a study that includes the necessary components:

Newly Published Outpatient Study Finds that Early Use of Zinc, Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin Is Associated with Less Hospitalizations and Death
The study reports a survival rate of over 99% in patients with confirmed positive cases of COVID-19

News provided by

Dr. Zev Zelenko

Jul 15, 2020, 14:25 ET

NEW YORK

Zelenko added. "This study suggests that when taken early and together with zinc and azithromycin, this cost-effective drug can be part of the solution to the pandemic."

https://www.thezelenkoprotocol.com/

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...ess-hospitalizations-and-death-301094237.html

 

Even in the unlikely event that works out, we don't currently have the ability to get test results fast enough to use it.

Except for places, like pro sports teams and the White House, where they would never think of using anything less than the best. And that protocol has a long ways to go to get there. Assuming it does, which it prob won't.

 

Treats Zev Zelenko as a credible source, claims people who take properly conducted clinical trials seriously are 'being conned'. Says it all really.

 

Posted a link to an in progress clinical trial designed to protect healthcare workers who treat infected patients from contracting COVID-19

Proflaxis for Healthcare Professionals Using Hydroxychloroquine Plus Vitamin Combining Vitamins C, D and Zinc During COVID-19 Pandemia: An Observational Study
https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04326725?cond=COVID&draw=2

Asking the question, "If protecting healthcare workers from contracting COVID-19 includes normal immune system maintenance plus Zinc, why isn't Zinc included in your 'properly conducted clinical trials'?"

 

Jesus Man.

There is a reason that drug trials want to use that "Gold Standard" and it is because they minimize the type of explicit and inherent bias you show here. You WANT HCQ to work and thus you will dismiss any study that does not reach that conclusion.

Why are you so desperate to make HCQ work?

 

Why are so many so desperate to show a cheap, safe agent that has been shown to be effective when used in conjunction with Zinc does not work. A new therapeutic will likely cost patients thousands and stuff the pockets of the CDC and NIH lizards: The same lizards who allowed a Climate alarmist to force the shutdown of our economy and deaths of countless Americans who were bankrupted by their irresponsible fear mongering.

I am desperate for the country to get back to normal by whatever means. An antigen that will put an end to the Marxist thugs who are destroying cities will be a start.

 

They've known how well HCQ works for many years. Virology Magazine wrote about it in 2005.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/

This HCQ fiasco shows clearly how this Covid thing is pure politics. And of course the plundering of the treasury.

 

What are NIH lizards, and how are their pockets stuffed? How will an "antigen" put an end to Marxist thugs? Maybe define to us what an antigen is, then we'll know.

With this kind of conspirational drivel, it is no surprise that people don't take the folks seriously who advocate for a drug not because of its efficacy, but because Trump said it could benefit covid victims.

 

Your conspiracy theory that critical thinking is somehow related to Trump addressing the wisdom of trying an existing drug with decades of safe usage and evidence of efficacy when used properly belongs in the conspiracy theory forum. That the inclusion of zinc is missing from most existing studies is telling. There a number of studies scheduled for completion after the election, some that include hydroxychloroquine and some just various zinc compounds that may or may not be absorbed by the cells in the absence of HCQ.

 

1) The Country WON'T get "Back to Normal" until after there is a Proven, Safe, Vaccine (that is widely available and distrubuted).

2) Even in a "Warp Speed" scenario, it is very possible that the USA will STILL be in Lockdown Next Summer.

3) The USA would be extremely lucky to even be approaching anything near a "return to normal" by Spring of 2022.

4) Any "Return to Normal" (if that is envisioned as a "Return to the USA, Pre-COVID"), will probably NEVER Happen.

5) There will NEVER be a Return to the Status Quo Ante

America, as it existed Before COVID, is Lost Forever.

 

Again, the majority of "gold standard" tests say you are wrong. So far I see nothing in your link that says this study was double blind/used a placebo control. And it still hasn't passed peer review.

" The overwhelming majority appear to have been designed to prevent the use of hydroxychloroquine" This is complete nonsense. This is the gold standard we use for ALL medicine. Just because you don't understand how it works does not mean that it is "designed to prevent the use" of the drug.

If the drug works, we should see repeatable results when compared to a placebo and this should show up in a double blind study.

 

Calling HCQ a cure is NOT critical thinking. Calling people you disagree with "lizards" is NOT critical thinking. Not knowing what an antigen is is NOT critical thinking. Getting your science education from RW crackpot websites is NOT critical thinking.

 

Which "gold standard" test disproves the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in conjunction with Zinc and Azythromycin?

 

People who quoted a climate alarmist who was wrong about the climate by claiming 2.2 million Americans were going to die of COVID-19 and were proud that they had the power to shut down the economy, throw millions out of work, and drive many to suicide deserve the worst characterization a person can think up.
I owe my science education to the work I did to earn a Bachelor's and Master's in nuclear engineering, not some crackpot LW socialist media website.

 

Do we have a vaccine for the cold? The flu? HIV? What makes you think there will be a vaccine for COVID? Didn't SARs and MERs evaporate over time or did I miss something?
Bubba told us that if we let China into the WTO, they will become just like us.

Was he lying?

 

"What makes you think there will be a vaccine for COVID?"

My point exactly.

We may NEVER get a Vaccine.

And, in that scenario, wearing masks and social distancing will become a PERMANENT Way of Life.

Good point.

You are Correct that it is possible that a Vaccine NEVER Happens.

 

If you are a scientist, I am surprised that you don't know what an antigen is. I am also surprised that, as nuclear engineer, you don't know that the exponential growth kinetics of a nuclear chain reaction and virus propagation are virtually identical.

 

I don't know how you know what I do and do not know. Yes. I misapplied a term in an area outside of my field. I knew my error before you started beating me over the head with it. For most of my career in the nuclear business I formulated computational fluid dynamics methods ,,, developing two phase multi-component technology for LOCA analysts to use in satisfying 10CFR50.46 ,,, the blowdown of the primary system from 2000psi to atmospheric in 26 seconds ,,, after a double ended guillotine break in the largest pipe in the system. In LWRs there is no out of control exponential growth. While I may have studied the physics of nuclear bombs 45 years ago, I haven't thought much about it since then.

 

I realize many Democrats see COVID-19 as their last best opportunity to restore the Democrat Plantation after the Obama lurch toward central control failed to cement a required 3rd and 4th act. After joining with Reid to nuke the Senate and any chance of bipartisan governance and stacking the lower courts, Barry was counting on controlling the entire judiciary to destroy liberty. He must have been crushed when the Turtle didn't give him a rubber stamp in the SCOTUS and again when Trump proceeded to rebalance the courts.

I don't see Americans who love Liberty allowing Democrats to reinstitute their Plantation by giving Pelosi her goal to make Americans permanently dependent on Big Brother. I could be wrong.

 

I have the highest respect for people who do nuclear physics and fluid dynamics, both difficult fields. I also respect people who have devoted their whole careers to the study of epidemiology and public health.

Kudos to you for admitting that you misused the word antigen. It takes guts to do that on a message board. With that said, maybe you could cut some slack to the people at the NIH and CDC, who are experts in pandemic control, instead of calling them lizards. In my view, the accusation that they are suppressing HCQ to line their own pockets is preposterous and slanders people who are trying to do the right thing under difficult circumstances. What if your reactor went into meltdown and someone would accuse you of having caused it because you were greedy? You wouldn't be happy, would you?

 

If you really want a good mixture try hydroxychloroquine and Remdesivir .

 

In a trial in China over February–March 2020, remdesivir was not effective in reducing the time for improvement from COVID‑19 or deaths, and caused various adverse effects, requiring the investigators to terminate the trial.[18]

On 18 March 2020, the World Health Organization (WHO) announced the launch of a trial that would include one group treated with remdesivir.[34][35] Other clinical trials are underway or planned.[36][37][38][39][40][41][42][43][44][45][46]

As of April 2020, remdesivir was viewed as the most promising treatment for COVID‑19,[13] and was included among four treatments under evaluation in the international Solidarity trial[34][47] and European Discovery trial.[48] The FDA stated, on 1 May 2020, that it is "reasonable to believe" that known and potential benefits of remdesivir outweigh its known and potential risks in some specific populations hospitalized with severe COVID‑19.[8]

In April 2020, the European Medicines Agency (EMA) started a 'rolling review' of data on the use of remdesivir in COVID‑19.[49] It completed the review in May 2020.[50]

Preliminary data from an international multi-center, placebo controlled double-blind randomized controlled trial carried out by the US National Institutes of Health suggests that remdesivir is effective in reducing the recovery time from 15 to 11 days in people hospitalized with COVID‑19.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remdesivir

Don't believe the ChiComs that the politically correct remedy doesn't work? The NIH boasts a reduction from 15 to 11 days of hospitalization. I don't think that's impressive.

I don't know why, but it appears drugs used to treat autoimmune diseases like Lupus also have some efficacy wrt COVID-19.
Here's an example: I know someone who uses Entyvio for Crohns. She needs infusions every 6 weeks. The medicine is sent to her home the night b4 and the nurse gives it to her. The cost, $10,000 per infusion. I think her insurance encouraged the home option since the infusions cost $20,000 in the hospital.
She used to use Humira, a cheaper solution that became ineffective. I seem to remember a similar cost.

If remdesivir eventually carries a similar price, I don't think it will be a good option --- provided there's a cheap alternative.

 

Remdesivir is going for $3500 for a 5 day course.