To racial purists: What would you want of me?

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  1. Greenleft

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    By me I mean ethnically mixed people. I know what your ideal society would look like, but how would you go about implementing it?

    Before I go further let me be clear: before I attack and debate, I am genuinely asking these questions so I know EXACTLY what you are suggesting and want.

    So I get the policy of closing the door to immigration into a country. Fine. Then there is opposition to multiculturalism. Which means all citizens must embrace a nation's uniform cultural identity that being things like language, religion, social values, holidays and festivals, traditional dress etc. What then with a racial purity policy after that?

    Killing off racial minorities/inferior races won't work obviously. So you would want to separate all ethnic groups into 'districts' to live in? Would you do racial government welfare prioritizing? Will there be specific jobs for specific races? Will the schools be racially segregated? With all this racial separating, how do you propose people work together for the common good? Example: Should a white university share or not share the discovery of a cure they discovered for a disease with a black university? Perhaps the government will introduce a program of deportation of people with ethnic roots in foreign countries? How will you deal with foreign governments who do not cooperate with this program?

    So now for the most prickly of issues: interracial relationships. Will you make it officially illegal? Or as someone on another thread stated to have the government go on a massive advertising campaign encouraging people not to have interracial relationships? And If you make it officially illegal, what becomes of people who break this law? Have them thrown in jail for being race traitors? Or cut government welfare to them completely? If you do NOT make it officially illegal, then what? Do you tell other citizens to literally taunt and throw garbage at interracial couples and shun them?

    Finally, what would you do with ethnically mixed people? First those born BEFORE the racial policy was introduced and are already adults. Would you sterilize me? If not, would you have everyone telling me how I should just be celibate for the rest of my life? Would you assign a 'district' for the ethnically mixed to live in perhaps? Then what happens to the babies of the interracial couples who procreated AFTER the racial policy was introduced? Would you have them raised in special orphanages for children with special needs (both mental and physical)?

    Again, answer some/all of my questions FIRST and then we can have a conversation.
     
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    My "pure society" would have only one test ... you must like chocolate chip cookies. Or pie.
     
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    So I can like one or the other. There is such a thing as chocolate chip ice cream, is that kind of 'dessert-mixing' tolerated in your pure society?
     
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    You really seem paranoid. Put down the Salon. It's not healthy.
     
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    Post made me laugh pretty hard. It really read like "How are you going to go about getting rid of me? Will you employ Zyklon B? If not, what kind of mass murder method do you prefer? Are you going to cut off my arms and legs with a rusty spork before you gas me? How many bars of human soap do you think you can make with my body, and do you think it can pay for the operation costs?" XD



    The Stormfront crowd (which I want nothing to do with) wants to split their countries in two between the white part and the non-white part and force you to move to the non-white part. They want to make two separate countries, hence the name "white nationalist".

    As for myself, I just think you shouldn't promote anti-white ideologies and avoid race mixing if possible and I've got no problem with you.


    Nobody believes in forced segregation, and that includes the Stormfront crowd. However if people want to self-segregate inside a country, they should have the freedom to do so, and not have diversity policies like busing or repartitions of migrants in Europe that prevent it.


    The Stormfront crowd sure would do that if they could, however that's a terrible idea for obvious reasons. Oppressive laws always get contested.


    Doesn't have to be government money, but yes, there should be a debate on race mixing. The vast majority of people approve of race mixing because opposition to mixing has been historically associated with oppressive "anti-miscegenation" laws, however just because the freedom to racemix is a good thing doesn't mean that there's nothing wrong with doing it on a massive scale like what's happening right now.


    Gas 'em XD

    No, just kidding. Just have people see it as a selfish act, like divorcing your pregnant wife or something like that.


    The WN crowd wants to move all non-whites to the non-white state. Not put you in a concentration camp.
     
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    All Americans are ethnically mixed and this is why such a silly concept as "White Nationalism" could only arise in America - since everyone is Italo-German Norwegians and other ethnic mishmashes of that kind, they, obviously, cannot unite under ethnicity (like traditional Nationalism encourages) and will instead have to create an ideology that demands unification under haplogroup (lol).

    I am not a "racial purist", but as long as you are a "white mix", I don't think there will be any problems for you in their Utopia. Apparently, skin tone is more important than culture. A Conaervative African American has more in common with them than a White, Radical Feminist. But the previous cannot be part of their society whereas the latter - who has diametrically opposite values - can stay "because she is Caucasoid". :laughing:
     
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    Not me. It must be optional.
     
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    You seem to have confused race with ethnicity. Most white Americans are ethnically mixed of various mostly Western European populations. Most of them are not racially mixed, however.

    As far as race in general goes, people have a right - and to me a duty - to preserve their heritage. Things that destroy that heritage should be discouraged, such as having mixed children. Mixed children are also noted to have identity issues and often transplant compatibility issues. The subject is never discussed by the media or in school because of the suffocating political taboo on the subject, thus public knowledge of the downside of mixed-race offspring is largely unknown.
     
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    Nonsense. Mixed children in my country do better in school, and on all useful measures of well-adjusted teenager-hood. And there is no 'identity crisis' in a society which doesn't care much about such things. You see far more disenfranchisement here amongst poor whites, as it happens. Incidentally, mixed kids are almost always born into middle or upper class, educated families. Poor whites aren't 'good enough' for our non-whites. They're very particular people.
     
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    Should prove to be an interesting thread.

    Gotta catch up L8r
     
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    Right, yes. Duty, no. People are free to breed with whomever they wish.

    What if you are already mixed with a and b? Should you only breed with a's or b's to "mix out" or only breed with an a+b to "preserve your heritage"?

    Actually, this is discussed alot. It is a popular reasearch field within anthropology and sociology and it is true that many 2nd generation immigrants experience some sort of "identity crisis" as they are of an ambigious identity. However, "ethnic identity" is situational and never is this "crisis" so serious that they cannot operate within society - often they will just be given the ethnic label of their parents and, sometimes, their "ethno-racial identity" becomes "2nd generation immigrant" or "mixed".

    This is a very complex question, but I would say it is exagerrated to claim there would be any actual, biological/psychological downsides of cross-breeding.
     
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    Yes a duty. Just like they have a duty to protect their country and their families. People shouldn't be free to breed with whomever they wish. We had laws against that kind of thing.


    Mixed people in the US have always historically been absorbed by the minority group their non-white parent comes from. I see no reason why that's no longer valid.

    As I said, there are cases where mixed people die lacking a transplant match due to their being mixed. Also, certain non-white groups have markedly lower average IQs than whites thus to mix with them would mean lower IQ offspring more likely than not.
     
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    Yeah, I guess that if you are a loser it would be nice if the state had some sort of welfare-programme that arranged marriages for its citizens based on their haplogroup. ;)

    The keyword in what you wrote is had. Thank God that is gone. Regulation is a fetish of the government and it is always awful. However, regulating love is probably the most awful of regulations.

    It is valid, but very complicated. It cannot stay at that. The creation of ethnicity/race is a very hard-to-grasp interaction that takes many forms.

    Oh, IQ's! There it finally came. I was wondering when you would bring that up. :no:
     
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    For the first part of my response, I want to ask this question: While you acknowledge my right to keep breathing, do you see my very existence as a 'mistake' (You did say avoid race mixing)? If so you have eliminated probably hundreds of thousands if not millions of individuals from looking at you as a potential friend and another human being to love.

    And the second part of my response is that race mixing on a massive scale is already happening. Have you heard about Brazil? If not a majority, a significant plurality of people there are ethnically ambiguous. Brazil has its problems just like everywhere else, but point out specifically to me where race is the root cause of any existing problems.

    Actually 'mixed race' people as you call them (and myself) are less likely to have genetically inherited diseases. Keeping races pure by enforcement risks inbreeding. Of course I'd never question anyone's right to choose who they are attracted to weather they are of the same race or not. You on the other hand would. Tell me: if given the choice, is it better for a man to have children with his sister instead of a person of a different race if it meant preserving the race?

    I promise you this: I have my ups and downs in life like any living person. However my "race" has never been the root cause of any of my life's problems. And by the way, you would never tell me that I am a biological 'mistake' to my face. You can only say that from the safety of a keyboard.
     
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    Since some here clarified ethnicity and race, I will clarify that I do not have two white parents from two majority white countries. I have a Southeast Asian Malay mother and a Caucasian white Western European father.
     
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    If I have to advocate the ethnocultural destruction of my people to gain your affections, I don't want them.

    In some places, but that's no reason to advocate it in totality. This is about preserving the heritage of my people and our homelands. Nothing you're arguing here is a rebuttal to that.


    Risks inbreeding? Because you can't have inbred mixed people? What garbage. This isn't an argument for destroying diversity.

    That's a completely incoherent false dichotomy.

    That's nice. You're advocating the destruction of diverse races while trying to claim the high ground by throwing down with threats to punch me out. That's funny.
     
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    You're using verbatim an argument from the anti-abortion crowd. "I was a chance baby that my parents didn't want, but they kept me nonetheless because they thought abortion was evil, so do you think I shouldn't exist?"

    Actually it's way more valid when talking about abortion, because if they did use abortion, that person wouldn't exist. So if you think that's a good argument, I take it you're against abortion?

    While if racial purists had their way, your white parent would have married a white partner instead, and still have children, who'd be the equivalent of you in that alternate universe.

    So if racial purists had their way, you'd be white.

    As for the idea of your existence being a "mistake", you're just a cog in the machine, the problem is the machine itself. The global demographic trend and the ideology that's justifying it.

    For example, the idea that "race mixing reduces racism". Which is a completely delusional idea, since it creates it. Ethnic replacement of an entire people is racist towards that people already, and fighting that replacement can be used to justify discriminations.



    Where did you get that I'm against interracial friendship? I'm completely in favor of it actually. It's one of the best way to reduce racial tensions.

    As for love, there's a difference between love and having children. The only problem is the having children part.


    Brazil is extremely high on the list of crime rates.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    So are most South American countries. Multiracial countries don't work that well.

    As for race being the cause of crime, just look at South Africa, another murder capital of the world.



    Inbreeding just means that you shouldn't marry your relatives. Marrying within 1 billion people of your race doesn't promote inbreeding in any way. Besides inbreeding is bad for mixed race people as well, so it's not an argument against avoiding mixing.

    Also, outbreeding depression is a thing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outbreeding_depression


    Completely unrealistic scenario. There's a billion whites in the world. Plenty of fish in the sea.


    You're not a biological mistake. You are, however, an unwilling and probably unaware part of an ethnic replacement program.
     
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    While I'm not in 100% agreement with you on regulations, I agree that regulating love (aka who people can have children with) is awful. Apparently most racial purists even agree with that except one here so far.
     
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    My definition of diversity and heritage is different from yours. Why are you more concerned with preserving lack of pigmentation making one more vulnerable to sunburns instead of preserving actual cultural practices and beliefs? As has been clarified here that it's not a matter of ethnicity but a matter of race so you have no problem with people from any corner of the globe or any cultural background having children just as long as both are equally vulnerable to sunburn. That is absolutely ridiculous!

    A better way to preserve 'diversity' and to preserve 'heritage' is to fight to keep actual cultural practices and beliefs alive. Preserve a spoken language. Keep practicing your religion. Keep wearing your traditional clothing. Keep celebrating certain holidays.

    And even with preserving culture, it would not be a problem having my children intermarry with people of different cultural backgrounds as long as certain conditions are met: that cultural differences are not a root cause of an unhappy marriage, that my grandchildren adopt MY culture or that the spouse of my child adopts my culture. As for who's culture one is to preserve in such a situation; that would be a matter of both parties getting together and negotiating it.
     
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    I agree that culture is far more important than race.

    Race is mostly an aspect of identity, it's kind of a subjective thing.

    Race is also strongly correlated with culture. Assimilation can work but only on a small scale.

    But outside of the identitarian aspect, race is relevant because it's politicized.

    Look at what happened with Trump's election. Mainly whites voters, and a few patriotic POC's. If there were less whites, he wouldn't have been elected.

    And you can't look at it in a static sense. There are demographic shifts that impact politics, like the refugee crisis in Europe. Some parties specifically want to take in refugees and then get the refugees to vote for them.

    Also it's pretty hard to unify a multiracial crowd into a common culture. It can be done, but it's pretty hard. Multiracial melting pots don't work that well and mass assimilation is hard to organize. There re a lot of arguments for ethnically homogenous countries, or at least have a large racial majority with assimilated minorities.

    Racial demographics impact politics. Isn't this a political forum?
     
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