To the anti-abortion people, a question...

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  1. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Active Member

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    I came here because I was curious.
    Suppose, for a moment, that it were legal for mothers to bring their toddler to a facility to have him murdered. You knew where this facility was and hours of operation.
    Would your actions be any different to stop these murders than your actions to stop abortions that have been going on for the last 45 years? Why or why not?
     
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    Not quite sure what you're asking mainly because abortion and murder are two different things ….

    Could you rephrase?

    (BTW, abortions have been going on for thousands of years, not just the last 45)
     
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    Wildjoker5 Well-Known Member

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    Abortion is a euphemism for Murder; The Premeditated killing of another human being. Just cause you refuse to bestow the mantle of "human being" onto a fetus doesn't make it any less of one.
     
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    edna kawabata Active Member

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    No, no need. Anti-abortion people say it is murder.
    I am obviously addressing the anti-abortion people, who, for the last 45 years have called this a holocaust in progress.
     
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    If abortion is murder then why haven't you called the police?
     
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    OK, but I guess I still don't understand the question and/or point......
     
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    Executions are the premeditated killing of another human being. Are legal executions murders?
     
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    Because, just like how slavery became legal in the colonies, activist judges over ruled the voting public to make it "legal".
     
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    So fun when someone who defends killing babies in the womb tries to conflate it with executing a murderer.
     
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    Wrong of BOTH counts!

    A fetus is only a POTENTIAL human being.

    If you are going to go down the "premeditated murder" route then exactly how many MOTHERS of SMALL CHILDREN are you willing to EXECUTE on Death Row because they had an abortion?

    How many small children are going to end up WITHOUT mothers because of your willingness to kill their mothers?

    https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/induced-abortion-united-states

    How much is it going to cost taxpayers to incarcerate, try, convict and execute up to 600,000 women PER YEAR?
     
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    Questerr Well-Known Member

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    So are you not standing by your statement? You defined murder as the premeditated killing of another human as a way of conflating abortion and murder.

    But executions are also the premeditated killing of other humans. So are they murders? Are you standing by your definition?
     
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    That is EXACTLY what YOU are DOING!

    You are calling women who have abortions premeditated murderers.

    And then you are going to EXECUTE them for those premeditated murders.

    How does that equate to your imaginary "pro-life" position when you slaughter up to a million women per year?
     
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    Then it can't be "murder". Murder is illegal :)
     
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    edna kawabata Active Member

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    I couldn't be more clear. Their behavior after 45 years and 65 million abortions, which they believe are murdered babies, is nothing more than grumbling about it and holding up an occasional sign. My question was, would they act the same if instead of a fetus it was a toddler. I have yet to get an answer.
     
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    Murdering toddlers is already against the law.

    There IS nothing they can do but grumble about abortion......no one has come up with a good case to take away women's right to their own body.
     
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    Your missing their point, it’s a hypothetical.
     
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    Safe surrender sites already exist and anyone can hand over their unwanted baby or toddler with no questions asked. Since no one on either side of the debate would defend murdering children, we are going to end up discussing abortion. The answer is simple: If you have a uterus, you have the right to decide what happens with it. If you have an opinion, the right to have your opinion stops where her uterus starts.
     
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    Yes, there is a difference, but there is also a clear analogy. A fetus - and this is very much depending on its gestational state - has less value than a toddler. But it does not have no value.

    In fact, I believe the argument could be made that a baby has a bit less value than a 3-year-old. I'm not going to try to argue exactly how much, but if you believe a 24-week fetus is less valuable than a newly born baby (9 months gestation), obviously you do not believe in developmental equality for human beings.
     
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    What gives a human being value?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Donor

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    That is a philosophical question which is too deep to delve into here, but I would imagine it comes from the same source that gives the woman's choice value.
     
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