TO the Veterans of all WARS LEST WE FORGET !

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    To the families and and Doctors of the Veterans ,in the treatment of Shell shock as it was called in the 'Capitalist War to end all Wars'

    For all those whose wounds that need the Latest treatments of 2013 ad not before ,dialectical Behaviuoral Therapy in the more extreme cases of Mental trauma ,spread the word soldier Comrades let That Vietnam war be the last time we and You were thrown to the Curb ,lest we Forget on the Day of remembering, just past ,for the Ode itself is spoken diffrent to old British imperialism past ,We shall remember them ,lest we forget and go that path that can NOT on Pain of Bringing down of Tyrant governments ,starting with my own Lest we Forget !

    Wage Slaves are NOT going To kill for Your Capitalist Intrest and Stockmarket parasites on the National Treasury ,Wealth for you and Poverty for US

    NO LEST WE FORGET >

    From ANZACS lesson for My Nation dosen't have its dead at home .No cemetry In Australia Lays it war dead except for those in physical movement of home army.

    Send all those from the Battle fields not of their choice if allowed to speak!

    To the US Military Base of Darwin are you kidding NO SORRY US IMPERIALISM , I see what your Government does to Americian Workers ,and Lest we Forget my Mothers, great not so great for some ,DEPRESSION .

    spain just recorded record Unemployment !

    27%

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    Questions mount about Boston bombers’ links to US intelligence agencies

    By Joseph Kishore
    26 April 2013


    Information coming to light about the background of the Boston Marathon bombings raises many questions about the relationship of US intelligence agencies to the alleged bombers, Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.
    It is now clear that the older brother, Tamerlan, who was killed in a police shootout in the early morning hours of April 19, was well known to both the FBI and the CIA.
    The following account can be pieced together from what has emerged so far:
    After first denying any knowledge of Tsarnaev, the FBI has now admitted that it received a request in March 2011 from Russia to investigate him, due to Russia’s concerns that he might be connected with terrorist organizations active in Chechnya and the Caucasus region. He was added to the Treasury Enforcement and Communication System database to monitor past and future flight travel. The FBI claims that it found no relevant information on Tamerlan and reported this to Russia.
    This was not the end of the matter, however. Six months later, in late September 2011, the Russian government contacted the CIA with a similar request, evidently unsatisfied with the FBI’s response.
    The CIA requested that Tamerlan’s name be put on the Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment (TIDE) database, maintained by the National Counterterrorism Center. TIDE is the US government’s central database on alleged “international terrorists,” from which other US intelligence databases are compiled, including the FBI’s “no-fly” list.
    According to a US government official cited by ABC News, the CIA also “shared the information with the appropriate federal departments and agencies specifying that Tsarnaev may be of interest to them.”
    In January 2012, less than four months later, Tsarnaev was able to get on a plane to southern Russia. According to US Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, this meant that the TIDE database was “pinged,” alerting the US Joint Terrorism Task Force, which includes the FBI, the Secret Service and other agencies, of his movement.
    Yet Tsarnaev was able to return to the United States in July 2012 without incident.
    Little has been said so far about what Tsarnaev did on his trip. However, according to a report on NBC News, “A police official source in Makhachkala, Dagestan… [said] that the Russian internal security service reached out to the FBI last November [2012] with some questions about Tamerlan, and handed over a copy of case file on him.
    “During routine surveillance of an individual known to be involved in the militant Islamic underground movement, the police witnessed Tamerlan meet the latter at a Salafi mosque in Makhachkala, the police official said. It was one of six times in total that surveillance officials witnessed Tsarnaev meeting this militant at the same mosque, according to the police official.
    “The militant contact later disappeared, the police official said, but so did Tsarnaev before investigators had a chance to speak with him. The FBI never responded, according to the Dagestani police official.”
    In other words, the FBI was warned about Tsarnaev both before and after his trip to Russia in the first half of 2012. The most recent warning was received only six months before the Boston bombings.
    This account is supported by statements of Senator Richard Burr, a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee. After secret hearings held Tuesday, Burr told reporters that there were “multiple contacts” between the US and Russia over Tsarnaev, including “at least once since October 2011”—i.e., after the request submitted to the CIA in September 2011.
    The government and media are scrambling to contain exposure of the significance of these revelations. The hearings conducted by Congress are being held behind closed doors, outside of the sight of the American people.
    The new narrative that is being developed to explain the extraordinary facts that have emerged is simply not credible. According to government officials, “balls were dropped” and there was a failure to “connect the dots.” If dots were not connected, who failed to connect them?
    As in the aftermath of the September 11 attacks, there is an effort to ensure that absolutely no one is held accountable. There is a reason for this. If anyone was held responsible, they would seek to defend themselves, and that would lead to further questions that officials are eager to avoid.
    The government seems particularly anxious to conclude that the two Tsarnaev brothers acted entirely on they own, a claim that is belied by the facts that have come out about Tamerlan so far. The convenience of this claim is that it directs attention away from examining the connections of these two individuals, including their relations with US intelligence agencies.
    There are a number of possible explanations for the actions of the Tsarnaev brothers. One is that they were driven by hostility to US foreign policy. Indeed there are some reports that the younger brother, Dzhokhar, has told interrogators that he is deeply opposed to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
    Another, and not mutually exclusive, possibility is that the brothers, and particularly Tamerlan, were being developed as assets or potential assets of US imperialism’s machinations in Chechnya and neighboring Dagestan. The region is critical to Russian geo-strategic interests because it is central to Russia’s access to the energy-rich Caspian Sea.
    US intelligence agencies have a long and sordid relationship with Islamic fundamentalist groups operating in Chechnya. The US also has close ties to neighboring Georgia and in 2008 supported Georgia in a war with Russia over the breakaway province of South Ossetia.
    According to the Russian newspaper Izvestia, during his time in the Caucasus, Tsarnaev attended seminars organized by the Fund of the Caucasus, which is tied to the US-backed Jamestown Foundation.
    The Jamestown Foundation, which supports Chechen separatism, was established with the assistance of former CIA Director William Casey and includes on its board of directors a bipartisan group of top figures in the intelligence, military and political establishment.
    Directors include General Michael Hayden, former CIA director and former head of the National Security Agency; Bruce Riedel, senior fellow at the Brookings Institute; Michelle Van Cleave, former National Counterintelligence Executive under George W. Bush; and Matthew Bryza, former US Ambassador to Azerbaijan under Obama and advisor on Eurasian energy matters, including the Caspian Sea, under Bush.
    The Jamestown Foundation has close ties to the American Committee for Peace in the Caucasus, chaired by President Jimmy Carter’s former National Security Adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski. Brzezinski played a critical role in initiating the US alliance with Islamic fundamentalists in Afghanistan beginning in the late 1970s, as part of the US proxy war against the Soviet-backed regime in Afghanistan. It was from this war that Al Qaeda emerged.
    If Tsarnaev was seen as a potential asset in its geopolitical conflict with Russia, it would also explain the accounts given by the brothers’ parents, who have said that the FBI had regular contact with Tamerlan, visiting the family multiple times. According to his mother, Zubeidat Tsarnaev, Tamerlan was “controlled by the FBI for three to five years.”
    The portrait that is beginning to emerge of Tsarnaev and his relationship with the US bears some resemblance to that of Zacarias Moussoui, who was arrested prior to the September 11, 2001 attacks and was subsequently charged by the US government with conspiring in the plot.
    In the late 1990s, Moussaoui fought in Chechnya with Islamic fundamentalist groups and helped recruit others to go to Chechnya. Before his arrest in August 2001, Moussaoui had attended flight training courses at the same school as Mohamed Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi, who flew the planes that hit the World Trade Center.
    After his arrest and prior to the September 11 attacks, both British and French agencies passed on intelligence to the US about Moussaoui’s connections to Chechen militants linked to Osama bin Laden. However, the FBI repeatedly rejected requests from local officials to search Moussaoui’s computer and personal rooms.
    Behind the so-called “war on terror,” the US government continues to maintain ties to Islamic fundamentalist groups throughout the Middle East and Central Asia, insofar as these organizations are seen as useful tools to advance American geopolitical interests. The United States has recently utilized the services of such organizations in Libya, as part of the campaign to overthrow Muammar Gaddafi, and currently in the US-backed civil war in Syria.
    Once again, the actions of American imperialism abroad appear to have had tragic consequences for the American people at home.


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    YES SOLDIER COMRADES OF THE OTHER RANKS ,PICK THE OFFICERS THAT YOU RESPECT AND FOR THE OTHERS FORGET!

    For the Political Cmrades of the Working Class ON the red Army Model ,Politically still the Most Politically concious ARMY that defeated Hitler ,the Tsars battalions ,all the Armies of the Allies.The Other SUPER POWER TROTSKY's RED ARMY as Worker Communist .

    Despite STALIN the Comprimisers Lenin HATED>

    Get 'Iran WAR out of the thinking Soldiers Strike !

    Class WAR against Capitialists and their Hangeronerers,NOT Imperialist WAR!

    Tell the wounded they are to be given for life the best care at home , bring the Afghanistan DEBACLE TO AN END NOW!

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    In Flanders fields

    In Flanders fields the poppies blow
    Between the crosses, row on row,
    That mark our place: and in the sky
    The larks, still bravely singing, fly
    Scarce heard amid the guns below.
    We are the Dead. Short days ago
    We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
    Loved and were loved, and now we lie
    In Flanders fields.
    Take up our quarrel with the foe:
    To you from failing hands we throw
    The torch; be yours to hold it high.
    If ye break faith with us who die
    We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
    In Flanders fields.
    John McCrae (1872–1918)

    LEST WE FORGET !








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    Sorry, but I have absolutely no idea what to make of this random rambling.
     
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    You get that with me ,basically ,the treatments for WW1 shell shock ,or PTSD are well known and the governments don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about veterans when they return home .

    the latest for the most tramatised is ,Dialectical Behavioural Therapy ,DBT,which because it is a more intensive form of Cognitive Behavioural Therapy,CBT,and it costs more is being deliberatly ignored in relation to treatment of PTSD.

    presently ,soldiers returning to Australia are being bombed out with massive doses of seroquel ,a anti psychotic drug that has a side effect of sleeping pill.

    when what is required or more helpfull is Mirtazapine a medication that targets the hypocampus of the brain and helps alleviate the 'Flash backs',they know this and do nothing .

    saying 'the research is not adequate'crap,PTSD in soldiers has been identified since WW1 when it was called 'shell shock',so much for caring for those that lay down there lives for freedom as they put it .


    the Lest we forget is in relation to ANZAC Day ,which the working class should remember what happens Lest we forget ,that WW1 and WW2 only were possible when the political party's of the 2nd and 3rd internations betrayed the World Socialist Revolution and the overthrow of capitialism .

    that was for me as the World Socialist Revolution presents its possibilities again TODAY!

    Lest we Workers Forget if we do not get rid of the Capitialist governments that send us to mass slaughter!

    Not this time IMPERIALISM!

    The CLASS WAR is AT HOME not abroad!

    2 groups use the word comrade ,Soldiers and Communists both the Working Class ,one armed with weapons the other with ideas.'MY COMMUNITY'
     
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    And once again, a random babble of nonsense that makes no sense at all.

    In short, you see all returning vets as traumatized murderers who are then zonked out of their heads with Alzheimers medication and forced to do yoga.

    Are you sure that you have not taken to much Quetiapine?
     
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    Mushroom, from the best I can manage to decipher philxx's message, I agree with your interpretation.

    philxx is likely to be an aboriginal or a Maori or something similar and consequently his natural language is not English, so if that is the case, then we should give him a break on his attempt to express his views. English is not my native language either. He wrote quite a lengthy piece and I think I understand the gist of it. He speaks English better than I speak Maori or aboriginal, so I give him credit for trying.

    As a three-deployment Vietnam infantryman, I think he's right about returning war veterans -- their governments and the citizens really don't care anything about them. To them, veterans are like disposable cigarette lighters -- when they are no longer burning brightly, you just throw them away.

    Oh well, ces't la vie (or whatever it is the French say)

    Ciao!
     
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    Did your mother teach you manners ,it is rude to say someone thinks something when they say the opposite ,what type of socialist would I be to attack returning soldiers ,as they are 80% the sons and daughters of the WORKING CLASS so by definition are of me .

    The capitialist general staff and commanders in chief veiw the soldiers of the working class ,or 'other ranks then officers ' as cannon fodder as iot was in WW1 and WW2 as it is today .

    it was the middle class radical trash that spat on the Working class returning from the vietnam War , as a 9 year old in 1971 I can rember vividly to this day the lonely 1 legged ANZAC 'hero ' hopping up the steps of chesterhill station in Sydney's working class suburb .yes the armies of Imperialism are comprised as a reflection of the class nature of the NATION!

    cannon fodder no more ,and if the middle class radical slime try the crap of 'baby killers 'ect then the midlle class will lets say GETA SLAPPING THEY WILL NOT FORGET!

    Oh and I was drinking with the sailors in darwin when 911 happened ,Why do american sailors hate their Officers TO A MAN as they expressed most clearly to me?????

    Its the Capitialist Politicans that are the criminals not the shattered soldiers of THEIR WARS of conquest and the military adventures turned Quagmires ,LEST WE FORGET!
     
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    Oh I am fines with mes limited workers edumacation thanks ,mes rembers the cost of the war to me mums ,generation and the scares of the mind that were not recognised ,the veitnam vets were treated like rubbish by the goivernment and cared, as well as they could be with little or no support by their families who also thru ,drug abuse and alcholic rage ,as well as losing those they loved that were changed and thru their torment did suicide !

    But ,not this time they will care for those that they did ignore and not recognise.

    The lessons of veitnam will not be forgotten ,Lest We Forget !

    PS ,not all soldiers suffer from PTSD ,but for those that do then the government is responsible for the best available care ,which is not what the veterans affairs department is doing here ,their policy is sweep it under the carpet ,little money as possible ,get them discharged and let their families deal with the residual problems .

    Ain't goin to continue if this working Class revolutionary has any say about it .

    The war for liberty ,equality and Democracy is against the Tryant Government at home comrade soldiers of the Working Class not on the battlefields for oil company's George bush ,Dick Cheney ,and Barak Obamas and their crony Capitialist mates.

    World Wide Workers revolutions NOT WW3!
     
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    Sorry, mostly all I see is Communist drivel, which has no real basis in reality. Posted by somebody who is so buried in slogans that they have lost touch with reality.

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    Returning veterans face an unfair fight for jobs...
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    An 'unfair fight' for job-seeking veterans
    May 8, 2013 WASHINGTON — Home Depot wants to hire more veterans. But as its human resources staff sorts through stacks of resumes each day, they often can’t find a reason why they should.
    See also:

    US military has 10 kinds of camouflage uniforms: Government duplication at its finest
    May 8, 2013 In 2002, the U.S. military had just two kinds of camouflage uniform. One was green, for the woods. The other was brown, for the desert. Then things got strange.
     
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    Railroads steppin' up to hire veterans...
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    Railroads hire many veterans returning from war
    May 10, 2013 — Mark Major once led a team of soldiers in combat in Iraq. Now he leads a team of railroad employees. The difference, he says, is obvious: "I'm not getting shot at anymore."
     
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    Granny says, "Dat's right - what one hand giveth, the other taketh away...
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    House panel boosts veterans spending
    May 15, 2013
    See also:

    Report: Pentagon could save billions by making military retirees pay more
    May 14, 2013 - The Pentagon could slash the defense budget by more than $900 billion over a decade without sacrificing significant combat capabilities, according to a Washington think tank.
     
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    I find Communism/Socialism detestable.

    So you think Anzac vets were so poorly treated after WW1---well---tell me what vets from any country were treated better circa 1918+???
     
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    Granny says lotta good dat gonna do - now dey'll never get caught up...
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    Congress vows close scrutiny of VA's backlog progress
    May 22, 2013 WASHINGTON — After years of quiet stagnation, the veterans benefits claim backlog has finally caught Congress’ attention.
     
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    Law schools joinin' the fight against VA backlog...
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    Vets disability benefits: Law schools help fight backlog
    May 27, 2013 -- Dustin Allison was riding in an armored vehicle at the head of a convoy in Iraq one morning in 2007 when an improvised explosive device went off, killing the driver and leaving Allison badly wounded.
     
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    Reserve, Guard get to be veterans too...
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    Panel votes to expand VA benefits, let Reserve, Guard retirees be 'vets'
    July 25, 2013 > With no heed of a debt crisis, the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee voted Wednesday to help more veterans find work, help more injured vets to gain reproductive health services, and to pay caregivers of seriously disabled veterans who left service before 9/11 a monthly stipend plus expenses.
     
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    I look through most of this, and just shrug. But one thing I did notice was that bit about in-state tuition rates. And that is simply going to (*)(*)(*)(*) a lot of people off.

    Until around 2 years ago, it was part of the GI Bill that mandated that ALL organizations that accepted GI Bill funding had to charge at in-state tuition rates. But the President's bill which stripped a lot of money from the VA and the GI Bill to fatten the coffers of an expanded Pell Grant, and as a bone thrown to Public Education they stripped away the in-state tuition requirement for Veterans. That is why I had to go to a Private School, because I had lived in Texas for the past 5 years, and was no longer a resident of California.

    If I was a school, I think I would tell the people who did this to make up their fracking minds. It is not cheap and a major hassle to be telling these schools that they have to charge in-state, then turn around and say "No, you can charge them out of state rates", then to turn right around and 3 years later tell them to go back to in-state again.

    And sorry, "veterans traumatized by sexually assault in service to gain VA disability compensation"? In case somebody does not quite get that, it means a monthly stipend for the rest of their lives. So let me get this right, if some girl grabs my junk, I can get a monthly stipend for the rest of my life? Sweet, sign me up!

    God, I never thought I would see the day that the VA and Military becoming part of the "Gimmie Entitlement Brigade".
     
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    The ANZAC contribution is well known in the UK. There's also a greater degree of publicity amongst historians regarding the Indian army as well.

    On armistice day when people stop in the street for a minutes silence, there is a thought for everybody that perished both for friend and foe.


    I'm curious to know as to what makes you believe that WW1 was caused by capitalists? If I've read you right.
     
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    I totally disagree with your opinion that veterans are not treated properly or well in the US. I am a veteran. All three of my sons, one daughter and two grandsons (one still on active duty) are veterans. Our medical care is first class. In fact in recent years the Veterans Affairs hospital system was called the best medical system in the country. My own care has been first class. One son who is a disabled vet gets first class care. The system responds to our needs very well.

    There are some glitches in the system, that being there are no VA Hospitals in every community requiring vets to travel for care. How terrible!

    Get real fellow, and try to learn something about a system before condemning it.
     

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