To what degree are we brainwashed? What is true and what is false

I suppose everyone has their own opinion as to what America's worst war crime was.

Even though hindsight is 20/20, I also believe that victory over Japan could have been achieved without nuking 2 Japanese cities. I strongly suspect that a demonstration bombing somewhere near Japan could have had the same convincing effect.

As you said, many Americans will try to justify using nukes on Japan but few who know the details will attempt to justify the use of phosphorous bombs on the citizens of defenseless Dresden that had no military value after it was obvious that Germany had already lost the war.

Churchill made his true priorities clear:

“I do not want suggestions as to how we can disable the economy and the machinery of war, what I want are suggestions as to how we can roast the German refugees on their escape from Breslau.” (*)




(*) "Winston Churchill: the Imperial Monster"
https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/01/28/winston-churchill-the-imperial-monster/

 

Sorry, Grau, I have to disagree with you about Putin and Russia. I see Putin as very caring about the Ukrainian people, or he would have squashed them by now. He would never bomb a maternity hospital with people in! That is my strong feeling.

But...
Ukraine is the most corrupt Nation in Europe.
You can expect they will taint the Russians wherever they can. Why does the West even send more money into that bottomless hole? After reading the Guardian article one can only expect that most money will "disappear"!

Read here:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/04/welcome-to-the-most-corrupt-nation-in-europe-ukraine

What I wonder about now is, WHY is the USA sending more weapons to Ukraine? Do they want to get involved? Whoever helps fight Russia is a foe of Russia and shouldn't be surprised if Russia will retaliate!
The same goes for Canada. Trudeau has not yet learned how to protect the Canadian people and stay neutral. Very sad! But that's how it goes in a "so called democracy"... the poor people have to do the fighting, they have to do the suffering, the dying and bleeding. In the aftermath they and their children and childrens' children will have to pay the enemy trillions of hard earned money and goods, plus repair their own homes and cities.

Wars should be avoided like the pest!!

 

If I may interject another Kennedy from the present generation? His name is Robert Kennedy jun., who is just as courageous as his uncle John was.


Here he talks at a rally on Sunday in Washington opposing vaccination mandates against COVID-19. He is a lawyer and the son of the slain U.S. Senator Robert F. Kennedy. Among other things he said, “Even in Hitler’s Germany you could cross the Alps into Switzerland, you could hide in an attic like Anne Frank did.”

He apologized on Tuesday.
Read here:
https://www.usnews.com/news/us/arti...es-for-holocaust-remarks-at-anti-vaxxer-rally

 

That's OK, Jazz, I may be wrong about Putin and the Russian invaders.

I don't know if there is any independent evidence that Putin and / or his colleagues ordered the shelling of the maternity hospital but I don't know of a motive for Putin's decision to invade Ukraine in the first place except for the ones listed in the articles I've cited below..

I try to keep an open mind and look at issues objectively but I only know what I read.

Here is some information we are not told by MSM:

"‘Smells of genocide’: How Putin justifies Russia’s war in Ukraine"
"Experts analyse the Russian president’s claims of ‘genocide’ as justification for Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022...de-how-putin-justifies-russias-war-in-ukraine

EXCERPT "Russia’s President Vladimir Putin has been telling Russians that the objective of his war in Ukraine is the “demilitarisation and denazification” of the Ukrainian government.

He claims Kyiv has been carrying out a “genocide” against the Russian-speaking population of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, collectively known as the Donbas, where the Ukrainian army has been fighting Russia-backed separatists since 2014." CONTINUED

AND:

The following article gives 4 more detailed reasons for Putin's decision to invade Ukraine:

"Vladimir Putin points to history to justify his Ukraine invasion, regardless of reality"
https://theconversation.com/vladimi...ukraine-invasion-regardless-of-reality-177882

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Even though I've done relatively little research, I still don't believe that a large scale war and attempted occupation of Ukraine is either justified or beneficial.

That, of course, is just my opinion based on what I've read so far.

Thanks,

 

Sadly the truth no longer seems to matter there are only dueling narratives and if you don't accept the administration's narrative on everything you are, according to them, a Russian agent.

 

The western media is absolutely unreliable. It publishes propaganda as instructed by government and corporate leaders.

Alternative media, the ones that get censored by Big Tech and government, is where the thinking man goes to inform himself.

H.L. Mencken wrote of the same phenomenon nearly a century ago: "The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane and intolerable."

Funny how little things change in 100 years, eh?

 

Always remember all media is always unreliable their are only two reasons people get into media in the first place, money and agendas neither are likely guarantors of truth telling.

 

Putin is invading Ukraine on the pretext that it needs to be "de-nazified." The sitting president of Ukraine is Jewish.

Putin is shutting down independent news outlets within Russia that refuse to paint the invasion in a favorable light.

No further analysis is needed to determine who is (and is not) on the side of truth here.

 

There is always the opposing side. The point is, why do you go against your biased for Russia, but not for other matters where things seem to be obvious?
I know the answer, but I prefer to let people admit it to themselves.

 

Re:

At least according to WW 2 era National Socialism (Nazism) it was possible to be Jewish and also be even a high ranking member of the National Socialist party. (1)

Also, about 150,000 full and mixed Jews served in Germany's military with some of them reaching the highest ranks and earning Germany's highest military honors.

Oddly enough, Hitler also honored Jewish Veterans of WW1 for their service(2).

I think that Putin is grabbing at straws to justify his invasion that I think is motivated primarily by Putin's fear of Ukraine drifting to the West (i.e. joining NATO).

I suspect that there are more than a few Russian hard liners who would like to reunify the old USSR and restore it to it's former perceived glory.

Thanks,


(1) “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED


(2) “When Hitler Honored Jewish Soldiers”
https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-when-hitler-honored-jewish-soldiers-1.5254336

EXCERPT “The Nazi regime conferred honors on many of the 100,000 Jews who fought in the German army in the Great War, even on some who had already escaped to Palestine.” CONTINUED

 

It is rather late again and I've had a busy day, but I want to at least give you an idea I got from a friend of mine. He thinks Putin is trying to block an atom war now or later. Apparently, P.C. Roberts has sounded a warning over 2 years ago.
Also, the discovery of the poison labs are a big factor. Their owners might see themselves pressured to do IT sooner or even now.

I have to do more research once I come back on deck!

 

"Brainwashed" is another term that had vague meaning and lost even that.
In line, however, with the general thought, humans do get their brains 'formatted' by their parents and society. That can be productive, but is usually more restrictive and used for control than for maximizing the individual. The 'group' wants good little soldiers or good little soldier producers.

 

I don't know for sure that Putin's motives are not benevolent and am aware that there are 2 sides to every story.
Therefore, I looked up Paul Craig Roberts to see what he had to say about Ukraine's US funded Bio-Chem weapons program and found the following:
EXCERPT:
"The Russian Foreign Ministry confirmed last Tuesday that Ukrainian authorities destroyed inventories of plague, anthrax, tularemia, cholera and other deadly pathogens in illegal US biowarfare laboratories in Ukraine operated and funded by the US Department of Defense to prevent them from falling into Russian hands. US Undersecretary of State Victoria Nuland confirmed the reports. These laboratories are in violation of Article I of the UN Biological Weapons Convention. This violation makes the US government a clear cut War Criminal subject to the death sentence under the Nuremberg Laws established by the United States Government itself." CONTINUED(1)

Apparently, the US funded Bio-Chem weapons program would not have been discovered if the Russians had not invaded.

In another article, Roberts reports that Ukrainian militias have killed about 15,000 Donbass Russians with 8 years of artillery fire (2).
Additionally, he includes a brief video to show how the Western media employs crisis actors to magnify the number of Ukrainian casualties. (2)


If nothing else, Roberts shows us that there is far more to the story than "Evil Russians massacre angelic Ukrainians"

Thanks,


(1) "Ukraine Hosted Illegal US Biowarfare Laboratories"
https://www.unz.com/proberts/ukraine-hosted-illegal-us-biowarfare-laboratories/


(2) "Crisis Actors Pretending to be Dead Ukrainians Can’t Keep Still and Fox News Talking Heads Can’t Stop Lying"
https://www.unz.com/proberts/crisis...l-and-fox-news-talking-heads-cant-stop-lying/

 

Thanks a million for doing all this research already!!
So, that "verifies" that the US is doing illegal stuff in the Ukraine. The Bio-Warfare-Labs are real! And they were definitely meant for the Russians! I'm glad, Putin found out in time.

https://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202203/15/WS622fce67a310cdd39bc8c850.html
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My favorite Jazz Player, Gilad Atzmon:

Putin is not a military general. He is a modernist leader, a trained spymaster and strategist. Accordingly, if we want to grasp Putin’s motives we should refrain from trying to assess Russia’s military campaign in terms of ‘strict military objectives.’ We should instead look at the military campaign as a political instrument that is set to mobilize a global and regional geopolitical shift and on a mammoth scale.
It is clear that Putin’s army is doing its best to avoid civilian casualties.

Read all here:
https://www.unz.com/gatzmon/putins-war/
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A "No Fly Zone" Means World War III

https://www.commondreams.org/views/...elp-de-escalation-ukraine-or-risk-nuclear-war
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The latest I was able to read is that NATO is mobilizing under the leadership of France:

France Leads NATO’s Response Force with highest troops deployment

France had deployed several NATO Response Force (NRF) personnel to Romania since the beginning of the Russian Invasion in Ukraine. As per NATO’s statement, France is leading this year's highest-readiness element of the NRF, as it had posted ‘a multinational force comprised of up to 40,000 land, air, maritime and special operations personnel that NATO can deploy at short notice as needed.’ As many as 21 planes had transported 350 soldiers and a large number of materials, including armoured vehicles within five days. France is also providing support through its naval air group, supporting surveillance and air defence system.

https://www.republicworld.com/world...pare-to-fight-war-escalation-articleshow.html
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By the looks and sounds of it, the WEST is ready to fight, come hell or high water!

 

Yet are not the screams for the heads of Tucker Carlson and others not buying the government's line on this war cut from the same cloth?