Tons of American Diplomacy - Aircraft Carriers

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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The US Ambassador to Russia John Huntsman made an inspection of two American aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean and said they are 100 thousand tons of international diplomacy being demonstrated to Russia.

    And Russian spokewoman Maria Zakharova said in response, that the monument to the Russian Armed Forces in Patriot Park is being constructed from tons of the Wehrmacht's international diplomacy in WWII.

    She also showed journalists slides of other foreign so called 'diplomatic' achievements through the ages starting with the Polish-Lithuanian intervention of the early 17th century, the battle of Peter the Great in Poltava, the Patriotic War of 1812 and the Great Patriotic War of 1941–45.

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    “I think that it’s just necessary to teach history well – this will help to avoid the mistakes that are unacceptable for international diplomats. Russia has always pursued a peace-loving foreign policy and preferred diplomatic means of resolving contentious situations and conflicts, ” said Maria Zakharova, adding that the project of the monument of the Russian Armed Forces, which is being built in Patriot Park near Moscow, demonstrates “tons of international diplomacy that the Wehrmacht utilized in the Great Patriotic War and will be used in the construction of the monument. “


    https://www.fort-russ.com/2019/04/z...w-history-lesson-on-how-russia-finishes-wars/
     
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    I would say that a lot of neighboring countries would disagree that Russia is just a peace loving country who prefers diplomacy over force. They still have tons of scrap metal from WW II just laying around? Vodka must make for slow workers.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What do you expect from nations who took the fake boundaries of the Soviet Union's administrative areas and made them their own. Rather than giving the Russians living on the lands the same decency and consideration Moscow gave them, and allowing them to vote on what nation they want to be with, they have the Russians living in an apartheid condition to get them to leave.

    But guess what, they're not going to leave their ancestral lands no matter how much they're persecuted, and how much Russia entices them with offers of free land. No wonder the apartheid nations are paranoid, wouldn't you be?

    Washington benefits from the paranoia so they encourage it, otherwise their problems could be solved by allowing them to have a closer relation with Russia, but that would be expecting too much.
     
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    Regardless of Russia's response, Huntsman said “When you have 200,000 tons of diplomacy that is cruising in the Mediterranean — this is what I call diplomacy, this is forward operating diplomacy — nothing else needs to be said.”

    That is just pure naked aggression on the part of the US for all the world to see. We seem to be getting in the habit of just coming out and saying, "might makes right" and the world is growing weary of it and is looking for a way out from under our thumb. This doesn't just include our competitors/ adversaries/enemies, but also our friends and allies.

    As my grandpa used to say, we're "fixin' to sh!t and fall back in it". A fate we've richly earned and one we're actively working towards.
     
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    It's a heavy thumb but not as heavy as it can be.
     
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    Yep, you're right, but our military threats are losing some of their lustre. Meanwhile, other countries are actively finding ways to work around our tactics and are getting on with the 21st century while we throw temper tantrums.

    Kinda funny, actually.
     
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    While China is going around the world making deals for development, America is touting its aircraft carriers as diplomacy.

    It's a stark contrast and the US is making the choice between the 2 paradigms easy for many countries including, again, some we call allies.

    China is building stuff and we're threatening to blow up more of the world. People around the world see this whether we here in America do or not.
     
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    Many of those carefree countries live under an American umbrella which is why they happily get on with the 21st century.
     
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    Yeah, they're getting on with it ..... with China.

    What's gunboat diplomacy gonna do about that?

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-mou-as-a-group-german-minister-idUSKCN1S20R3

    BEIJING (Reuters) - Major European Union countries want to sign a memorandum of understanding on China's Belt and Road initiative as a group and not as individual states, German Economy Minister Peter Altmaier said on Friday.

    European countries have generally signaled their willingness to participate in China's program to re-create the old Silk Road joining China with Asia and Europe.
     
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    Aren't they free to pursue that course? You don't really think the US is going to war over Chinese and European trade relations? Carriers keep trade routes open.
     
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    Are the trade routes in the Mediterranean threatened?

    Yes, they are free to pursue such a course, but the US doesn't like it one bit. Huawei, with its 5g tech, is definitely a sore spot, so much so that we had Canada arrest one of its chief executives.

    The US also doesn't like what the Chinese are doing in South America and we can see what's going on in Venezuela, which is tied to the presence of China and Russia there. We've now reasserted the Monroe doctrine claiming South America as our exclusive sandbox.
     
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    This vid touches on some of the points I've made.

     
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    We should never have let the Monroe Doctrine lapse. Trade is one thing, foreign military forces encroaching is quite another.
     
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    Yet we have military forces encroaching all over the world. Imagine if Russia or China shined a mirror on us and invoked their own version of the Monroe doctrine.
     
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    The Russians living in countries conquered by the Soviets could vote with their feet and go home if they wanted to be Russian.

    And each of those ships displace upward of 100k tons.
     
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    Imagine if the United States had the Russian/China mindset of expanding its borders instead of rebuilding enemies after a war and striving for peace. Hell, we would have a good 75 states by now.
     
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    The US does not occupy other countries, nor do we carve off some territory as Russia has in Ukraine
     
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    Why should we? It's cheaper to install puppets to do our bidding.
     
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    No, we just cripple economies with sanctions, creating a humanitarian crisis, then blame the leaders of targeted country for its woes while cultivating enemies of the government.

    We're running a little behind schedule in Venezuela though, eh?
     
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    Those nations know that as long as they bow to American demands they won't be destroyed, but heaven forbid should they want their independence. Putin started the ball rolling by having the courage to kick out the American aligned oligarchs and not bow to American demands. He also managed to avert all the attempted regime changes by Washington not only in Moscow, but in all the Republics and other areas of the Federation.

    Anyway what China and Russia could not do alone, they are managing together, and the other nations are taking note. The dollar is being dropped more and more, and this is going to push us into another war for survival. I see it coming with Iran. We are provoking them to close the straits. Actually I'm starting to think that the aircraft carrier threats might not have been meant for Russia, but rather for Iran.

    Then again it might have been to keep Russia from helping Iran, or to keep China from buying Iranian oil. Who knows?
     
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    Projecting again? When did Russia and China expand their borders? If your thinking of Crimea, that was taken by Ukraine when its troops marched in in the 90's. They asked to join Russia this time for protection.

    Unless I'm mistaken we have 800 military bases in countries all over the world. I see that as occupation, what do you see that as? A friendship act?
     
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    Those lands were part of the Russian Empire, so why should the Russians living on them gift them to a bunch of ingrates.
     
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    Russia doesn't need aircraft carriers, it is an aircraft carrier. Take a look at the map. :roflol:
     
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    MAJOR DUH UH !
    ALERT

    It was areas conquered by Russian Czars, not Soviets.

    And those areas have been Russian administrated longer
    than California or Texas have been Spanish speaking areas
    administrated by
    :flagus:



    End
    MAJOR DUH UH !
    ALERT
     
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    Then you believe we can encroach on others all over the world, but no one dare conduct trade and do business in S. America. Have you asked the people there - and I don't mean the American puppet government, I mean the actual people.

    I'm going to give you a warning. You better get off your high horse as an American, because there are a lot of changes going on in the world, and aircraft carriers are just another expense that we will not be able to afford.
     

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