Tory leader declares war on plastic

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  1. cerberus

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    "Theresa May unveils plan to wipe out UK's plastic waste within 25 years"

    "In a speech to launch the long-awaited 25-year environment plan, the Prime Minister will say the problem of plastic waste, much of which ends up as damaging pollution in the seas"

    So she's going to clean up 75% of the planet, and the UK taxpayer is going to foot the cost? **** me, even The Fragrant Margaret didn't lose the plot so soon in her reign as this deluded female has. But hey, who's gonna remember her saying 'within 25 years' for **** sake? Will she even still be around? It's nothing other than right-on sound bites and gesture politics, and it makes me feel sick that we're paying this hoodwinking idiot a 6-figure parliamentary salary. On the other hand, she could use the cost of 'cleaning up the oceans' to pay our EU divorce settlement? Which I'd bet a million pounds is what it's destined for anyway!!

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/...s-plastic-waste-within-25-years-a3737181.html



     
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    I remember the days where your waste was cans, paper and glass. Now, we are swamped with plastic.

    Milk was delivered in glass, pop (soda) was in glass bottles and you received a deposit back when you took the empty back.

    The hedges and gutters are full of plastic rubbish and I hope plastic is taxed off the planet.

    Mankind sold products before the introduction of plastic, I'm sure we can do that again.
     
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    Yup not beyond the wit of man is it. I'm not a great one for all the green blurb that we get bombarded with but if we stop the country looking like a shyte heap than it can't be bad.
     
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    Along the sides of roads, they're swamped in plastic litter. At least the tax will employ people to pick it up.

    As kids, our parents were strict on litter. Even a sweet wapper had to go in our pockets to bin later at home. You got smacked otherwise. Don't think the youth of today are brought up to those values.
     
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    Well sod the tax.....why not use that massive untapped labour pool just lounging around......in prison!!! Get the bastards off the xbox shackle them up and have them out on the roads and clean the place up....might as well get some use out of these useless sacks of shyte. Our taxes already pay for this lot to do nothing
     
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    The government were going to but EU regulations wouldn't allow them.

    Benefits, like Job Seekers Allowance, should be for a limited period of time. Just divide the benefit by the minimum wage and that's the number of hours per week they should work for the community to get the benefit.

    Might change after Brexit!!
     
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    One can hope but I doubt it...
     
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    Not much thought on this thread is there? Plastic politics is about controlling the media message. The Tories have lurched from inept to sub-Trump stupidity. They need a positive message. Nothing like fake environmentalism: no actual real contribution to the problem, but them there youngsters are easily manipulated, aren't they?

    At least Cameron gave us a scribbled tree before he hailed HS2's demolition of ancient woodlands.
     
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    It's still going to be allowed in certain medicinal products, but by and large, these plastics often found in beauty products are going to be stopped in the UK, USA and like 5 other key countries forcing those who produce with plastics to change to something biodegradable like walnut shells or seashells or whatever since it's in their best interest to have a uniformed product in all of these markets that have now outlawed the use of plastics in these products since they get washed away and end up in the ocean.

    - I'm all for keeping plastic out of the ocean.

    I refer of course to microbeads.
    https://news.sky.com/story/uk-bans-...ucts-in-bid-to-cut-plastic-in-oceans-11200818
     
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    Mine still is...
     
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    It's because China will no longer take the UK's plastic waste.
     
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    Putting a modest tax on disposable plastic things is not unreasonable. Ladies' personal toiletries should not be excluded.
     
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    That's environmentalism which makes sense. Put a considerable deposit/return system right on bar codes for plastic (making it easier for retailers) or get rid of it, and getting rid of it is the better option.
     
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    Its much more than that. Remember that this is the Tory Party where, in a 2014 poll, 70% of their MPs were effectively climate change deniers.

    Cameron was much more effective at pretending the Tories were a party of the people. While they ratcheted up privatisation in the NHS, folk were busy being taken in by the remarketing of the minimum wage as a living wage. Cunning stuff compared to the current efforts!
     
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    Oh don't start that, "Tory this, tory that dribble". Balance the efforts of both parties, Blair and Brown were in for some 13 years, why didn't they scrap plastic packaging? How much plastic tax did they implement.

    If privatisation was so bad, why didn't Labour reverse it? Why did Labour implement PFI on the NHS? Have got any idea????

    It's beyond beggers belief that some think a problem suddenly appeared under the Tories or Labour. If you can't debate politics sensibly, stop filling the forum up with illogical dribble.
     
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    Why would I care about Blair and Brown? They're long gone (fortunately with New Labour)! This is about the current government and their motivation. The idea that they are introducing required environmentalism is taking naivety to the nth level.

    Notice you didn't actually respond to what was said. Didn't you find it weird that so many Tory MPs have been climate change deniers? Do you seriously think they've radically changed and embraced environmentalism?
     
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    The problem appeared when chemists got too damn sophisticated for the good of society and politicians all over the world gave them chemists the strong arm and fists to impose their hydrocarbon will.
     
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    What MP's want to be is up to them.

    I think you need to start a different thread to carry your conversation on rather than derailing this one.
     
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    It is illustrative of the lack of green credentials for this government. They're playing lip service, nothing more. Focus on libertarian paternalism (i.e. nudging), for example, misses the point that greater regulatory controls are required.
     
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    The market has been allowed to go down the plastic packaging route for decades.
     
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    So why haven't previous governments put regulations in place?
     
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    Why do you insist on talking about previous governments? The Tories have been in power since 2010.
     
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    You made an excellent point. When the failings of Labour are slapped across the face of Labour supporters, they always claim Labour are now a different party.

    But for some reason, they claim the Tories are always Tory.

    So your defence is to erase the Labour past because we have a new Labour and the current Tories are just always the same as previous Tory governments.

    I can't debate against those that have that absurd mentality.
     
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    Because previous governments have had the opportunity to do that. As this current government has finally decided to implement plastic change, you are now not happy?

    So what do you want??
     
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