Total Gun Ban: A Question

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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    no not if he suspects. He has to have reasonable suspicion that is a threshold of suspicion that he must be able to articulate in a court of law and must reach that legal threshold.

    I don't think we should worry about expanding the scope right now. When they do a background check but they do is look for records in the NICS database. I think we should focus a little bit on completing this database making sure records are entered into it where's the police have to arrest and detain citizens.

    Expanding the scope with broken tools won't do anything.
     
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    Of course! The fact that cocaine requires a process (though probably less involved than making guns), that weed is illegal in many places (which wouldn't be the case of guns if we ban them), that weed grows almost anywhere (relatively few countries manufacture guns)...

    Everything seems to indicate that the cost of smuggling guns would be much much higher than the cost of smuggling cocaine.
     
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    You completely missed the point.

    Things other than weight are driving the price. Weight has little to do with the equation. Using weight as your price predictor is therefore a waste of time. It means nothing.
     
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    Did you even READ my post? I just listed them!!
     
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    So according to you, nobody smuggles anything other than cocaine into the US because Cocaine makes the most profit?
    THis is why you think nobody would smuggle weapons into the US? News flash, they are doing it now.
    Currently while cocaine is being smuggled into the US, you also have, a mass of other drugs including fentanyl, illegal weapons trade, prostitution, human trafficking, kidnapping, exotic wildlife trade, art theft, heists, chop shops, illegal immigration, tax evasion, import/export restrictions, providing contraband to a prison inmate, or the theft of the items being smuggled.

    How could you even come to conclusion that weapons wouldn't be smuggled into the US because they wouldn't make as much as cocaine when its happening right now?
     
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    You go on and throw your hands in the air, OK? Those of us serious about doing something to curb gun violence within the constraints of the Constitution will continue serious contemplation and work.
     
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    You must be really young. This scenario is called the Red Dawn, named after the 1984 movie.

    This manufactured "theory" has more holes in logic than Swiss cheese.
     
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    No I'm suggesting useful modifications. If you want more background checks you have to have background to check as in a database.
    you may be serious about it but I'm knowledgeable you should look up what the NICS database is. That's where background information is stored.

    Read posts and listen. Not doing that and knee jerking reminds me of Bible thumper behavior.
     
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    Getting rid of all the guns is only achievable with magic. And if magic is real, then we can just snap our fingers and everyone crossing the border will be coming to integrate, work hard, pay taxes and obey the law.

    Whats wrong, dont you believe in magic?
     
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    Well, I'm certainly not a bible thumper. A NICS check takes less than 30 min. from the time you START filling out the form. Our children deserve more than that.
     
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    Did you read mine?

    I saw that you listed some differences. You missed the point that you listing those differences only furthers my point. Of course there are huge differences. It is not about weight, therefore determining the cost based on the weight of cocaine is nonsensical. It makes not one iota of sense.
     
  12. Polydectes

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    I was remarking that the way you talked passed me reminded me of the way church people never bothered to listen when I came out.

    Your viewpoints are just like religion. Perhaps you're a bible thumper you're just thumping a different Bible.
    Fair enough. So take 45 minutes on the NICS database.

    What background are they going to check if there's no background to check?

    The next database is where background information is stored. If it's never entered into it because police departments and other agencies don't enter it in what's wasting another 30 minutes or another day on it going to do?

    I know you say you want to do something but does something you want to do doesn't make much sense.

    But I know you're like the Catholic church and I'm like a pagans everything I say is wrong because your Bible says so.

    This is why you people can never get anything done. You are more interested in making sure you don't agree with me on anything then doing anything.

    I take it back you're exactly like a bible thumper.
     
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    I think you're presumptuous. I'm a recovering Catholic. I'm saying America needs to go beyond NICS and look further into individuals applying to purchase a firearm. And gun competency needs to be proven or a rudimentary gun competency class should be required. I'm not talking past you, I'm actually mostly pro-gun, I get off that track because I believe it's possible to do more than we are, more than nothing, about firearm violence we are experiencing.
     
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    well tends to happen when what I've said was ignored
    what like spy on them? People will just buy black market guns.


    So it isn't about crime or gun deaths or even suicide it's about bureaucracy for the sake of it.
    Yes you were in very familiar with that. When you say something like "just throw your hands up and do nothing" that's exactly what you are doing. I had a priest look me dead in the eye and say that exact phrase when I was dealing with my sexuality.

    That's a code for "agree with me or be wrong".

    Here you are talking past me again priest.

    Just because your idea is incompetent and programmed into you by politicians doesn't mean anything other that doing exactly what you demand is doing nothing.

    What you are talking about will do very little of not nothing but did I talk passed you and declare since you proposed idiotic politician babble that you were throwing your hands up and doing nothing? No I listed to what you have said thought about it and have you a response that was direct to your point.

    The problem isn't not enough laws. That's hardly ever the problem. It's almost always and in this case it's proven to be incompetent enforcement.

    We have laws on the books already that prevent this you see how well they worked doing the same thing more most likely will result in the same thing happening except you sacrificed something you didn't need to in order to do nothing.
     
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    Gun ban or no gun ban has nothing to do with border or drugs.
    The war on drugs is a complete failure.
     
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    War on guns will be too because it's the same thing but safer
     
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    Which will still have ZERO effect on border or drugs.
     
  18. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Wars on stupid things seems to be convert for official incompetence
     
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    Votes. It's to garner votes. Or make some group feel good.
     
  20. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    No it's really is to cover up incompetence. when politicians blame things like the rich or guns or terrorists or drugs pornography or the illegals for their failures that's not going to get your vote. The brain dead lip service policy made distract you all with will make you vote for them.

    People want to scapegoat because they want to feel like they're doing something so playing the drugs playing the alcohol blame everything but the politicians who are far too incompetent to them.
     
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    The idiot voters then swallow the lies of the politicians.
    The don't get elected without our votes.
     
  22. Polydectes

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    Yep. That's why I don't look for them wrong this stupid s*** that you say they're going to do because they don't do it.

    I'm vote based on two things. I'm not a Republican I'm definitely not a Democrat I don't think conservative is the proper word neither is liberal. But I don't define myself how I identify with other people.
     
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    Look, I'm sorry for whatever issues you've had with priests, though my issues are more with nuns. I wasn't saying "agree with me or be wrong", that wasn't in my mind; I'm just tired of beating my head against the wall and, really am fine if you go your way and I go mine. We'll see how it works out.

    So, it's OK for you to say my ideas "are incompetent" and still call me the, derogatory, priest? I can assure you my ideas are my ideas. And it's OK for you to call them "do nothing", but yours are boiler plate fact?

    I'm done arguing this with you. I hope you get past your priest issues, my nun issues seem to boil to the top once in awhile even after 60 years. :(
     
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  24. Polydectes

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    it's the same thing you're doing you're not listening.
    why would you rather stress your head into a wall then listen?
    I don't tend to have a lot of respect for people who refuse to listen. But if you're willing to it'll be water under the bridge.
    I wouldn't say boilerplate fact but at this point the writings on the wall.

    Laws didn't stop this obviously more laws won't stop this do you understand the difference between genius and insanity

    My issue is with people talking past one another and that's all you're doing because you delighted smashing your head against the wall what's wrong with you?
     
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    Dude it's a figure of speech. :roll: I'm sure you're a very nice fellow, but we are not talking on the same wave length. No point in continuing.
     

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