Tracking the COVID-19-Virus in Germany, the USA, Italy and other hot spots in the world

Complete and udder Partisan BS. You can't blame ANYONE for this worldwide pandemic, except maybe the source...China. Your lefty Governors made decisions based on the same data everyone had yet they got hit the hardest. The people trying to blame the President are partisan hacks, this virus doesn't give a rats ass about which way you vote. It's akin to Republican's saying it's the lefty metros are who's to blame. You've done a good job tracking the numbers, you of all people should be aware that lefty countries were devastated as well and have way higher death rates than the US. Should you blame the political party for those, of course not. You started this thread as a non partisan thread because you knew the virus wasn't political yet here you are blaming a politician. Heck we can all do that, I can blame Nancy, Cuomo and the dipshit mayor for spreading it in NY, which eventually lit the country up but I'm not a partisan hack and certainly understand this virus isn't either.

 

You need better excuses.

Most countries did better than we did, and they did it by using a strong, national response.

Lame excuses won't change the fact that Trump sucks.

 

You heard any governors calling for herd immunity? Look there is NO good answer nor easy answers. Sweden tried the herd thing, would that work in America? Who knows but doesn't sound like a good idea to me. The only way this would have been avoided was stop it in Wuhan but China choose to hide it and f'd the entire world. What we now know that even the strictest Dem governors that did hard shut downs, heck you couldn't even by seeds in Michigan, didn't stop the spread. The ones who didn't shut down and tried to let the people follow the social distancing guidelines, didn't stop the virus. NOBODY HAS STOPPED THIS VIRUS, certainly no political party.

 

Yawn there is no excuses the reality is you can't say that and let me know you figure out the virus is political. The left and scientist told us 3 million American's would be dead and 30 million infected. So you have to either say science had no clue or we did a decent job at slowing this virus. Blaming politicians on either side is f'ing dumb because if you want to go state by state the blue ones have the most devastation. Intelligent people look at all the other factors of the spread and understand it doesn't have a damn thing to do with politics.

 

Thanks for proving my point.

There was a steep learning curve with this disease. But the scientists learned.

Trump started out trying to stifle the science and not wanting to deal with it.

Which he is still doing.

Of course, that's back in the real world.

 

If all you have are asinine STRAWMAN drivel then that means that you are FLAILING!

No one said ANYTHING at all about "stopping the virus".

My point was about the FAILURE of the rightwing concept of "herd immunity" that was effectively DEBUNKED by Governor Tate Reeves.

Ranting and raving about China is just an attempt to DEFLECT attention from the FACT that there is no imaginary "herd immunity".

 

More political BS. If you want to play that game then we'll go to governors, they had the same science, they choose what to do in their state because the Federal government has zero control in these situations. I guess we could say Cuomo and every other lefty governor didn't care for their people because they didn't stop it.

 

herd immunity is a right wing thing, it's a concept to deal with these type of viruses. Does it work, I doubt it in America but saying it's a right wing thing is foolish at best. The failure is trying to make a WORLDWIDE pandemic political. You can go country by country, state by state and see that this f'ing virus conquered all politics and all attempts at killing it to date. We get it though, don't rant about China who actually could've stopped it, yet rant about Trump. Well that's not partisan. Please.

 

If China could have stopped it is for the history books. What happened since March till today is what matters.
Incompetence and flat out stupidity of the Federal Government got us where we are today and it is wrecking the US. On top of it the Government and its top so called leaders are now attacking Fauci, because he states the facts, day after day after day.
3rd World is the overstatement of the year.

 

Hmm so you decide when the history starts, please. Tell us again what the federal government could've done? Pointing out where Fauci has been wrong is attacking, yet taking what he's been wrong about and accepting it as facts are smart? Let me help here, we had lefty metros shut down as much as possible yet got devastated, we've had states that didn't yet have yet to see those type of numbers. There isn't a one size fits all that is feasible in America period. If you would've completely shut down everything in this country you would see what real devastation from poverty is. You would have seen the government not being able to pay for Medicare or Medicaid.. This would've ended the healthcare system among other things. We are a great country and the very thing that makes us great is why we were at risk, state independence and diversity. It's also the reason that scientist including Fauci was saying we were at risk of 3 million deaths and 30 million infections. We never even got close to that so Fauci and even Trump did something right but I fully understand the lefties desire to insert politics into a pandemic.

 

The governors have nowhere near the scientific resources Trump has at his fingertips. Nor do they have the no limit credit card.

 

BS the governors' had a weekly call with Fauci and CDC leadership so just stop, we all saw and we had Dem governors like Cuomo praising it. Don't be lazy to score political points, never ever did you here a governor say they didn't get virus information directly from the top of CDC nor the task force. They complained about PPP and ventilators only to find out we over produced. The feds sent ships that weren't used, it was all hands on deck and was good to see the Trump task force and Dems working together. Now we're in an election phase so the majority of what you see is a political slant to damage the other side. The virus doesn't care who gets voted in and there are no right answers until a vaccine is approved. Thank god the politicians and scientist figured out a way to allow that to happen years ahead of schedule.

 

Your kidding. Right?


This is what they got from Trump.

 

Thank you for establishing that you are merely trolling for attention and have nothing of any value to contribute WRT herd immunity of tracking the virus.

Have a nice day!

 

The U.S. failed miserably, thus, the “We should have kept working” believers are looking for a justification, and their examplary model/strategy is Sweden.

I’ve already told them 100 times that the best, and mathematically proven “let’s keep working” strategy, have been implemented by several Asian nations/states, and their KKK strategy;

Keep working
Keep wearing masks
Keep your distance

......we’re implemented, and sustained until their curves were crushed.

And knowing what we know now, said proven KKK strategy......COLLECTIVELY hard to implement, and harder to sustain in the U.S.

And ironically, the “We should have kept working” believers, are predominantly anti-mask.

 

The point is, that it has to be national.

We just proved a half assed, mostly state run response is never, ever, going to work.

 

Here's the thing. I will agree that this virus was always going to suck and I think you can find examples of countries or states with left-leaning leadership that were hit incredibly hard by this virus - early on. But I think you can also systematically review the data and find that the countries/states which were hit hardest can be explained by things like a lack of testing access and population density.

Overtime though, the policy decisions win out. And that is why, more recently, the States and Countries which have seen their virus cases and deaths increase dramatically lean to the right. Here is an AP analysis on the latest performances of the States.

https://apnews.com/7aa2fcf7955333834e01a7f9217c77d2

And all of this, no matter how you slice it, still falls back on Trump. His public instances of downplaying the threat of the virus, lying about the virus, and even touting the benefits of the virus meant that a significant percentage of the population - in every State - were slow to adapt their behavior and some still refuse to do so, in large part because they have watched right wing sources tell them again and again that this virus is not serious enough to warrant an alteration to their behavior. And that doesn't even account for the decisions by his administration that resulted in a slow start to the testing which undoubtedly is a very significant factor in why the spread of the virus in places like New York and Michigan took place so rapidly and thoroughly early on.

 

Guess you should call Cuomo, here is what he said in the middle of his states fight.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...trump-is-touting-praise-democratic-governors/

 

Yep Cuomo played Trump like a fiddle.

 

Your leaders, your media and Fauci downplayed it too, please stop with the BS. No-one had a clue how contagious it was because China and WHO denied it was a problem. We all saw the daily briefings, we all saw the seriousness stop acting like that didn't happen. Yes we know Trump, the Scientists and manufacturing should have waved their magic wand and pulled out 50 million test out of thin air. Get real, it wasn't possible and trying to convince an intelligent person it was won't work. Maybe the ignorant thinks you can majically come up with millions of tests but this is just another partisan fallacy.

 

Ahh another partisan statement proving exactly what I've been saying, some of our resident poster are playing politics with the virus that's apolitical.

 

When your saving lives you do what you need to do. If it means kissing up to an a$$ hole that's what you do.

 

Could Trump have taken it more seriously? Yes, he could have taken it more seriously. But there's enough blame to go around for the circumstances we find ourselves in and if we're going to be fair to history(and since you said it's okay), I'll start. The original epicenters, NY/NJ. Now, remember we had this tussle over who has control over the lockdowns, the President or the States. The States asserted they had control, Trump tried to assert it back then they said again they did and then the President shrugged and said "Okay, you have control."

From that moment on, the responsibility became theirs. I personally will not allow the convenience of dropping the ball when it looks bad, and then picking it up when it looks good. It's their lockdown, their calls and their results. It's so ironic that Cuomo now wants Hitler-like traveling papers, because it's HIS State that didn't lockdown until the 17th of March.

That is, thousands of New Yorkers(we know at least from Desantis) had traveled to Florida, who knows to how many other States, etc.
Speaking of inter-state travel, those rioters did that on a far more massive scale, setting up demonstrations in major cities across the entire union and now they're peeping up that "Yeah, that wasn't a very good idea"(and it wasn't)

When people were allowed to "seek and destroy" while normal citizens were restricted, the cat was out of the bag. If the governments cannot protect their citizens, they won't have the authority to control personal movement. Sure, they can release the orders but they have to actually be followed and/or enforced, and it's laughable without the moral or political authority.

And sure, we can blame Desantis for the growing cases in Florida(and apparently the farmer workers had asked for PPE, etc and it wasn't delivered in a timely fashion) thus making the protective efforts of nursing homes a moot point if it gets into the general population.

But what's become clear is that masks aren't as effective as they say they are.(There was a story in Arizona, the teachers social distanced, they wore a mask It didn't matter.). I've been saying this for a while now: Biden could be President and it doesn't matter.

And secretly, I think you know this too. You're too smart not to know that this is now beyond human control. All we can do is try to mitigate these cases as best we can, while acknowledging that they will continue to grow and sadly more people will die. But everyone has their own slice of the pie to blame. Including me, for underestimating the virus at first.

 

Soooo, the day is underway in the good old US of A and already, the great state of Arizona has reported +4,273 fresh C19 infections (until now, their second highest daily caseload) and 92 additional C19 deaths. Only 12 of 57 Units (10 states, Puerto Rico and Veterans Affairs) have reported any data and with Arizona and North Carolina being the only two states of any size at all, the USA has already added over +9,000 C19 cases and in total, +178 new deaths.

It's gonna be a helluva week.

 

Good point, because it doesn't matter where they came from, dead is dead is dead is dead and they should not have needlessly died to begin with.