Trump abrogating defense troop strength responsibilities to DoD

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  1. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's what they do.

    They're whining now because they want to be able to whine about the military being ineffective, and Mattis is taking their favorite binkie away from them.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well then, wax poetic for us on Obama's qualifications in military matters.

    He's such a military genius, we could only shoot back after we got hit. We could be pinned down for hours and had to wait it out.

    **** Obama. He's the reason we lost so many of our brothers.
     
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    That's what happened.

    We won WW ll with having only the Department of War (Army) and the Department of the Navy (Navy / Marine Corps)

    If we won and it wasn't broken, why fix it ?

    FDR and his military chiefs of staff didn't micromanage the war. They only set the time lines of implementing War Plan Orange in the Pacific and War Plan Rainbow in Europe.


    In the Pacific, Plan Orange was used to defeat Japan. Plan Orange was written by two Marine Corps Majors and adopted by the Navy and Army in 1924.

    There were two commanders in the Pacific during WW ll. Gen. MacArthur who was in charge of the South Western Pacific theatre of the war and Admiral Nimitz who was in charge of the Central Pacific theatre of war.

    The U.S. Marines 1st Mar Div and 2nd Mar Div. came under MacArthur's control while the Marines 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th Mar Div's. came under Nimitz control with Marine General Howland Smith in charge of the amphibious assaults.

    Today the way our military is organized, WW ll in the Pacific would only have one commander and that commander could be an Air Force General in charge of the naval war and amphibious landings or a woman general from the Quartermasters Corps.

    How did we end up with the National Security Act of 1947 and a Department of Defense ?

    We listened to the Germans.

    After WW ll all German officers above company grade were debriefed and all were asked the same questions one being "Why did Germany lose the war ?"

    The answers were all about the same.

    A corporal ran the war who refused to listen to his generals. A freaking corporal micromanaging the war.

    That Germany didn't fight a total war until it was to late (1943)

    That the Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe and the Kriegsmarine should have been under one commander kinda like having a Department of Defense and a Secretary of Defense.
     
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    Obama is still way better than the so-called president we have now.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah? What were his successes?
     
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    Where were you for 8 years?
    Brought health insurance to tens of millions who never had it.
    Brought the economy back from the brink of a depression.
    Kept us safer than Bimbo Bush ever did (no attacks).
    Nailed Bin Laden.
    ....
    ....
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Gave medicare to people who should be looking for jobs to the tune of $1 trillion, with a health care plan that is collapsing in on itself.
    Cut interest rates and put it all on the credit card doubling the debt, while rewarding those industries responsible with handouts
    Allowed the worst terrorist organization to grab the most physical territory in history while doing nothing about it, while toppling ME governments and doing nothing about Syria
    Allowed more terrorists into the country than ever, with more terror attacks than ever, while putting more criminals back on the street.

    What were you saying again?
     
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    Is that from the National Enquirer? :rolleyes:
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, those are facts.

    You're welcome to try and dispute any of them if you want.
     
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    You believe what you wish - it is still a free country.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah that's what I thought.
     
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    Obama didn't keep us safer. That's BS. Bush setup the Department of Homeland Security after 9/11 and also forced ITT so intelligence agencies would share intelligence more to prevent such attacks.

    That's some alt leftist brainwashing to say Obama did that.

    And Obama "nailed" bin laden? How so? Was that when Obama jumped out of the helicopter and shot him in the face? Or do you mean intelligence from 2006 tracking Bin Laden's courier service finally produced a lead in 2011 that resulted in Obama saying "yes"?

    If you want to be narrow minded and say "Obama kept us safer" than the equivalent way of thinking would be to say Obama created ISIS because it happened during his term.
     
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    Are you referring to the Unaffordable Healthcare Act where most Americans can't afford to use Obama Care ?

    There still hasn't been a full recovery of the economy after eight years under Obama.

    FYI: Obama didn't prevent the total collapse of the banking institutions and going into a full blown depression, TARP was signed into law by President Bush not Obama.

    There were 27 Islamist terrorist attacks on U.S. soil under Obama.
    Fort Hood, the Boston bombings, San Bernardino and the largest mass shooting in America's history the gay bar in Florida just to name a few all happened on Obama's watch.

    As for 9/11 most of the blame is on the Clinton administration. Bush (43) inherited Clinton's failed counter terrorist policies. Attorney General Janet Reno and her "wall" that prevented intelligence agencies and LE from sharing information on terrorist that prevented the "dots being connected." President Clinton decision that Al Qaeda was a law enforcement issue not a national security issue. Susan Rice convincing Clinton not to take Osama bin Laden into custody when the Sudan government offered to turn Bin Laden over to the Clinton administration. Yes the same Susan Rice as Obama's Susan Rice. --> < http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/how-susan-rice-bungled-sudan-8560 >

    If G.H. Bush (41) were have been reelected as POTUS in 1992 there would have been no President Clinton which would mean there would have been no 9/11 and no Bin Laden first Fatwa when Al Qaeda declared war on America back in 1996.

    "But your most disgraceful case was in Somalia whereafter vigorous propaganda about the power of the USA and its post cold war leadership of the new world order you moved tens of thousands of international force, including twenty eight thousands American solders into Somalia. However, when tens of your solders were killed in minor battles and one American Pilot was dragged in the streets of Mogadishu you left the area carrying disappointment, humiliation, defeat and your dead with you. Clinton appeared in front of the whole world threatening and promising revenge , but these threats were merely a preparation for withdrawal. You have been disgraced by Allah and you withdrew the extent of your impotence and weaknesses became very clear. It was a pleasure for the " heart" of every Muslim and a remedy to the " chests" of believing nations to see you defeated in the three Islamic cities of Beirut , Aden and Mogadishu..." -> http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/opf980830a.htm

    Yes, Al Qaeda attacked America on 9-11-01 because Bin Laden looked upon Bill Clinton being a liberal pantywaist.

    Obama was out of the loop. It was Admiral McRaven who issued the order to take out Bin Laden not Obama. After Valerie Jarrett convinced Obama to order Navy SEAL's to stand down three times the authority to take out Bin Laden went from Leon Panetta with his note to Admital McRaven ->
    What 'Gutsy Call'?: CIA Memo Reveals Admiral Controlled bin Laden Mission -> http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2012/04/26/get-bin-laden-memo-cya/


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    The memo also shows that Obama was not in charge of operation strategy as the mission was being carried out. Panetta noted that the timing, operational decision making and control are in Admiral McRaven's hands..."<
    http://www.ibtimes.com/cia-memo-rel...bill-mcraven-kill-bin-laden-transcript-693506

    Was President Obama low information like so many other Americans were ? By 2004 the well informed already knew that Bin Laden wasn't the mastermind of 9/11 but was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed who was captured in 2003 under the Bush administration. Bin Laden was no longer top priority since America had captured the real mastermind of 9/11. -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_Sheikh_Mohammed



     
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    I love when liberals fall for the "tell me what Obama's accomplishments were" question.
     
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    They have to resort to revisionist history or just make **** up.
     
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    The beautiful thing is they know they can't defend him, so they just run away.
     
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    Man you lefties just need to find some reason to bash Trump. First it was when he said he knew more than the generals, now he's leaving it up to the generals and he's still wrong.
     
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    Grenada and Panama were total victories.
    Gulf War I was just won in Kuwait.
     
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    I'd imagine Mattis would have given Obama the "evil eye."

    Good thing the Dem Clown Show has just about packed its tents and left.
     
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    Liberals: Obama doesn't need military experience. He has his Generals to advise him on every decision to keep us safe. They are the ones that need the experience.
    *Trump put's the most experienced General and Secretary of Offense in charge*
    Liberals: This is an outrage!

    LOL you guys are cracking me up
     

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