Trump Admin Admits Global Temp Will Rise Up To 7 Degrees By 2100

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  1. Josephwalker

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    Why because I don't "believe"? How do you live your life differently than me that will save the world for your children and grandchildren?
     
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    You yourself know the 98% of scientist thing is BS. We have discussed it before.
     
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    A 7 degree Fahrenheit increase in the mean global temperature by 2100 from preindustrial levels is based on a worst case scenario which assumes the world
    proceeds along its current course and the CO2 levels rise to 789 ppm by 2100. Carbon emissions have been averaging around 2 ppm for several decades and
    if that that rate of increase were to stay constant then the CO2 level would be around 570 ppm by 2100. It isn't likely that the Co2 level will rise that much by
    2100 because it will be very obvious that the world has a big problem with rising global temperatures within the next 2 or 3 decades. Renewable energy is getting
    cheaper and will likely replace fossil fuels as an energy source. Nuclear energy is still a possibility if renewable energy is inadequate. Carbon sequestration is
    expensive but could bean option.
     
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    Sadly, I've found it next to impossible to live the way I know I should--being a part of a culture that is still in denial. To do right, I would have to live in ways that conflict with my surroundings in ways that would be both uncomfortable and expensive. So, your point is a valid one. Climatologists have frequently asserted it would be impossible for any nation to reverse global warming acting alone. I am one of 330+ million Americans. I doubt my efforts as an individual could amount to much in the bigger scheme of things. But I keep trying to wake people up to the hazards of waiting, while the warming speeds up. I won't be around long enough for global warming to impact my personal life to any substantial degree. I fear it may be worse for my children, and worse still for my grandchildren and their children. My other thought is that I may still be strongly affected by it in my next incarnation here, which I always feel could be avoided with positive action now. :)
     
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    And now you see the problem. Everybody talks the talk but nobody walks the walk so what you "believe" means nothing and does. nothing. According to polls the majority of Americans "believe" and we had a president for eight years that believed. Problem is believe or not you want your cars, your warm in winter cool in summer house, your jet set vacations to Europe, your ocean cruises. Plenty of food in the local grocery store on and on and on. This all happens with fossil fuels and at some point you have to face reality and accept that and quit whining. When some other form of energy can afford you the lifestyle you will not give up then the transition will be seamless and fossil fuel will fade into history. Until then we need it want it have to have it and some of us will hate it.
     
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    You make some very valid points, and I find nothing I disagree with. However, even while we retain some of our precious lifestyle, we should be developing the technology for the change to green energy. The very act of doing so would create thousands of new jobs, and begin helping the transition away from fossil fuels. Of course, there is much more we can & should do, but we need leaders who understand and are willing to act on that. You're right, we had a President who "believed", but he had a Congress run by politicians who didn't believe, and who dedicated every effort at their disposal to oppose his every motion. He did do what he could without them--which history will record in his favor. But Trump is reversing the progress made under Obama, and that only complicates any effort toward eventual success.
     
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    The renewables industry is alive and well since previous actions created it...though it could be grown with further attention, the companies and infrastructure is already there now and growing moderately. Although this is a very good thing and many positive changes have come about it will make little difference in the grand scheme of things and have no effect whatsoever on developing nations. Humanity has missed the window at this point and though minimization of impact may be possible it cannot be seriously mitigated.

    Time to buckle up for the ride.
     
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    Considering the leadership we have to work with here at home and around the world, you may be right. But I will remain an optimist & both hope for and speak for a rising consciousness on this issue, that results in more success than you expect. If that happens, we both win. :)
     
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    I truly hope you are right in your optimism...I wish I still had it. Unfortunately years of research and activism combined with industry/LEED construction experience have given me familiarity with the politics and mentalities involved so I am a bit jaded. Now that tipping points have clearly been tripped and real impacts have begun I simply cannot see this world humanity suddenly deciding to get along and fix such an enormous problem.

    It is cool to see L.E.D. bulbs in Home Depot though.
     
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    Under our current leadership, it's hard to see progress, but there are small steps being taken in the right direction. No, it's not enough, but it's something. And, it can be increased if the new Green Energy Democrats succeed. My wife & I are both highly supportive of them and hope for their success in Congress & at home, wherever that might be.
     
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    I wish you both great luck and applaud your devotion to our environment.....have at it, and go kick some.
    If it helps....I have a website I'll give you.
    http://www.earthenirvana.com/

    Or this one....I no longer use them.
    http://www.enpoweredhome.com/
     
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    Thank you for your kindness. :)
     
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    Obama did little except to fund alternative energy with tax payer dollars which was money down a rat hole and he attempted to make fossil fuels as artificially expensive as possible and he signed the political joke called the Paris accord. As he did these things Michelle and him took his and her 747s on luxury vacations in Hawaii which circles back to my original post on this subject.
    As far as development of the technology to transition to so called green energy I'm fine with R&R financed with tax dollars on this front but I'm not for propping up failed companies like Solyndra and subsidies to wind power etc at tax payers expense.
     
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    Remember that Obama had congress in his corner in his first term and neither did anything about "global warming" but instead concentrated all their efforts at ramming Obamacare down our throats. Apparently even they didn't take AGW serious after they were elected using it as a scare tactic.
     

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