Trump and religious liberty -- Militant atheists have met their match with our president

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Oh nooo, that would thwart the will of a merciful god who wants those children dead. Much better to spend your money to make laws so that poor mothers who cannot afford proper birth control dare not have even the recreation of the horrible SEX they should not be indulging in even if married or they will be blessed with children they cannot afford to care for to the Greater Glory of God.
     
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    easily. formal declaration of independence, written on paper, was not required to arrive at our current constitution. Liberty as the founders saw it only belonged to land owning white men. And no, they have nothing to do with your imaginary god. All rights and liberty are man made constructs.
     
  3. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Probably the same way Canada did that in 1867 or Australia did in 1901.

    Could you turn your snark setting down just a trifle? It makes your meaning unclear.
     
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    Politcal leader, sure, but the population that put him into power want their religious views expressed in society, the same way atheists expect their notions of reality to be reflected in the state.
     
  5. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Well isn't that just too bad for them, since we have this little thing called the Constitution which says that NOBODY'S religious views, their's OR Atheists, are allowed to be"reflected" (also meaning ENFORCED) in and onto the individuals making up a society

    I realize that most conservatives think religious freedom means that everybody is free to be religious but it's a little more complicated than that.
     
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    So all it has to take for a supposedly religious view to be taken seriously is for it to be advocated for from a material perspective?
     
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    He most certainly did not appoint Satan to the role he is currently doing. God did not make Lucifer rebel against Him.
     
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    In God we trust.
     
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    All others must pay cash.
     
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    He(God) evidently is not strong enough to destroy Satan, the Devil, etc, etc.
     
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    They are the same being.
     
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    Pull a dollar bill from your pocket and read it.
     
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    Satan has a purpose, he works according to GODs will, as do all things. We have free will, by GODs will. Satan has his allotted time, for a season.
     
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    But how could he do that without God knowing and permitting it? Re-read Job one time. God and Satan are colleagues
     
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    If Satan is fulfilling God's works then he didn't revolt against God...Yet Job had much more damage done by God than by Satan just to prove a point...Ancient religious sadomasochism, it's a killer...
     
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    I am more concerned with the eye on the pyramid.
     
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    Of course He is. God created us with free will. If He destroyed Satan the instant he rebelled the whole universe would have questioned if Satan had a point and would have obeyed God out of fear instead of love. Free will meant that in the ceaseless ages of all eternity that in the universe some creation somewhere some time would sin and rebel. God had a plan to deal with the natural consequences of that behavior and we are in the middle of it. For the rest of the universe, seeing Satan cause the Son of God to be killed on a cross settled the issue in Gods favor. The issue among man kind will be settled soon as well and Satan’s rebellion and the universe expiriment with sin will forever end.
     
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    Nice bedtime story to keep the kiddies in line.
     
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    I don't think atheist want our political leaders to say anything about it. And "their religious views" which their there are LOTS of theirs. But are you saying an athirst could never be elected because they do not believe in supernatural beings and that is proper?
     
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    Why are you blaming God for what Satan did to Job to break his faith in God?
     
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    In a class yes as much as someone holding up a political banner. As much as deciding to do your yoga meditation routine. Do it between classes in your own.
     
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    Edmund Burke was right about atheists and the role they should play in government
     
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    Would it save more than the 600,000+ killed by abortions every year?
     
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    Because God is the one who is in charge is he not? If he is in charge he either colluded with Satan or allows Satan to torture people while he idly sets by..Is that the love your God has for his creations?
     
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    There as a different deal between the the DoI and the Counstitution.
     

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