Trump Calls 'Hoax' on Nuclear Documents Report, Urges Warrant Release

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  1. The Mello Guy

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    Apparently none worked for the trump DOJ? Lol
     
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    What evidence about Trump did the fbi fabricate?
    Aren’t the fbi currently investigating Hunter?
     
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    I don't like Trump, but I disagree. Bush done much more damage to the US than Trump. Here is explanation:

     
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    It all looks odoriferously suspicious. Why did the DOJ think Trump was withholding documents the Archivist wanted beyond the 15 boxes of documents Trump voluntarily returned about one year ago? Then when the DOJ was not getting anywhere negotiating with Trump (and again, why the DOJ instead of the Archivist) why didn't they immediately ask for a search warrant like any decent law enforcement agency would do? Instead they waited a few weeks then asked for a warrant (which still nobody knows what the warrant authorized). Then after getting a warrant did they not just show up at the door with a few worker-bees, serve the warrant to the the lawyers and staff they had been conversing with for months, and searched the premises for whatever they were looking for (and authorized to do???)? Why 50 or so agents, some in SWAT gear, many vehicles, early in the morning, and throwing the occupants out before conducting their search after telling them they could search anywhere for anything they wanted?

    It is perfectly obvious. The raid was designed to find any and all dirt that the House Select Committee or the DOJ can use in their quest to purge Trump. It had nothing to do with documents that belonged with the Archivist. If it was for unreturned classified documents for the Archivist it would have been a no-op since the president all by himself can de-classify anything he chooses.
     
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    Absolutely he should. Nothing makes him look better to his followers than losing an election as an incumbent. And then stealing classified information from the USA.
    He should keep this lie up for at least 2 more years.

    Really show the 70% of the country what a poor American he was and his followers. How they want to steal classified documents. For what purpose would he steal classified documents?
     
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    Behold, ladies and gentlemen, a text book example of a leading and loaded question, which is one that has an assumed & false but very partisan premise .
     
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    Corrupt Merrick Garland and the despicable FBI lied about the pretext they used to obtain an impermissibly broad, if not an unconstitutional General Warrant against the former president and the most likely GOP nominee in 2024. They went to an Epstein-Judge and obtained an open-ended license to grab any item that might be relevant to the Justice Department’s Capitol-riot investigation. They either found a smoking gun, or they didn't. This jibber jabber about "classified documents" - the president has inherent and unrestricted control over declassification and "Presidential Records Act" - which isn't a criminal statute - are just smoke screens, you would be wise to not be misled by them. The real issue is J6 and either they found what they hoped for, or like the last 20 times, it was nothing more than yet a figment of their fevered imaginations.

    That they would send heavily armed federal agents chasing such figments, and that they are all dumb enough to go, rather than promptly resigning, is something a future Congress will need to get to the bottom of and make sure that no future demented administration repeats. You may protest this, but think further, there will be future former Democrat Administration and this precedent these crazy nutballs have just established needs to be cut off at the root.

    Remember: General Warrants are unconstitutional in our system. Look at this warrant, "So, for example, if agents found one low-level classified document in a container that was stored next to ten other containers of nonclassified documents, the warrant permitted seizure of all of the nonclassified containers and their nonclassified contents."

    This warrant allowed them to seize whatever they wanted, classified or not.

    "Where things get really, shall we say, elastic is subsection (c). It permits the seizure of “any government and/or Presidential Records created” throughout the four years of Trump’s presidency.

    Plainly, this has nothing to do with classified information. It is mainly designed to use the criminal law — the search warrant, an intrusive tactic for retrieving evidence of crimes — to enforce the Presidential Records Act, which is not a criminal statute."

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2022...-justice-departments-january-6-investigation/

    "Since Congress did not choose to attach criminal penalties to violations of the Presidential Records Act, what we see here amounts to the Justice Department fashioning a new crime for Donald Trump. This is not the even-handed enforcement of the law — no partisan discrimination — that Attorney General Merrick Garland insisted he pursues in his remarks on Thursday."

    "subsection (c) [of the warrant] authorized the FBI agents to seize every scrap of paper from the Trump administration. There is no limitation to classified information. There is no limitation to the Presidential Records Act. There is no limitation to the unmentioned Capitol riot. Indeed, there is no requirement that any scrap of paper be connected in any way to any crime whatsoever. No restriction at all. If it was arguably a government record of any kind generated during the Trump presidency, the judge said the bureau could take it."

    "The FBI and Justice Department will be poring over everything and anything from Trump’s presidency to try to make a January 6 case. What was executed at Monday’s historically unprecedented search of a former American president’s home was not a traditional search warrant to find evidence of specific crimes. It was certainly not a search warrant solely to retrieve vital national-defense secrets. This search warrant was a license for a fishing expedition. In an ocean."

    "The Justice Department is hoping the Trump trove will yield proof that he did not believe his stop-the-steal rhetoric and was willfully trying to steal by fraud and political pressure an election he knew he lost. That is what the Justice Department thinks it needs to charge the former president with corruptly obstructing Congress’s count of state-certified electoral votes, and with conspiring to defraud the government."

    "Whether they will find the needles in the haystack remains to be seen. This was about getting "control of the haystack."

    They may claim that they were searching Melania's drawers for nuclear secrets, but that was just the lie that they told so that they could pillage them.

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    That would be the US Attorney in Maryland, who is investigating Hunter.
     
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    You missed the point (I think deliberately). Mueller had a huge staff of lefties who hated Trump, had an unlimited budget, had as much time as he wanted, and he found NOTHING on Trump.

    Zip zero nada, an empty hole, a dead end.

    That proves beyond any doubt that the Russia colussion issue was a total made up scam.

    Mueller. Case closed, you lose.
     
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    Is that where Hunter's laptop is that the FBI hasn't got a clue about its location?
     
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    You'll have to prove there was this huge staff of lefties that hated trump.
    Else it falls into the category of the 2020 election was stolen.
     
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    Trump has destroyed confidence in American institutions, destroyed confidence in Democracy, in the hearts and minds of some 65,000,000 people all in the pursuit of power that is roughly 40% of the electorate.

    That's a plight hitherto unachieved by any president in US history. In my view, that makes him the worst president in history., but more importantly, a clear and present danger to the national security of the United States. Trump also was a climate change denier and did nothing to promote America in that effort, which is equally grave. All Bush did was make bad policy decisions. Yes, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan cost America lives, but if bad policy is your measure, then look to Trump for his incompetence on Covid which led to an accelerated trajectory of estimated deaths the total of which far exceed American lost lives in the two wars. I'm not measuring 'worst' on bad policy decisions, I'm measuring it on who is the gravest threat to national security, and the health of the world. By that standard, Trump wins the worst president award, hands down.
     
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    They don’t investigate, the FBI does for them as the us attorney is part of the DOJ, just like the fbi.
     
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    So Hunter isn’t under investigation? Is that your claim?
     
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    Yes, but it is notable that Biden intentionally didn't fire the Us Attorney in Maryland. Usually a new administration comes in with a new slate of US Attorneys as they serve at the pleasure of the president. Biden did that, replaced all the US attorneys (as I understand it) but left one remaining, the one in Maryland, and he did that BECAUSE he was leading the investigation on his son which started under Barr, as I recall.
     
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    Did I say that? I just responded to a post stating who was investigating Hunter and wondering if the FBI gave Hunter's laptop to that person. No one in the FBI seems to know where it is.
     
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    Several of the claims and questions raised in the thread are covered in this useful video;
     
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    What are you talking about? The entire House Select Committee investigation is kind of a peek-a-boo conspiracy against Trump.
     
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    Yeah, the national security secrets your boy got caught selling to the Saudis has nothing to do with the Jan 6th committee.
     
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    With all respect – I see it totally different. We can put number of the destruction to the US Bush did, number of Americans killed and wounded, financial cost of the ‘Iraqi Freedom’ and the loss of confidence of American people in government and the main media who supported ‘Weapon of Mass Destruction theory’. Another typical Bush decision – giving to CIA director George Tenet  Presidential Medal of Freedom – medal to the man who failed to prevent Sept 11 attack and gave false information about WMD which started the stupid war in Iraq - this is the sign what our ruling elites think about our opinions.
    Don’t forget – as long as Saddam Husain was in power, he was fighting with Iran, Bush stopped it strengthening Iran, which very soon will build nuclear bombs.

    I am not sure why, but recently millions of Americans became very gullible, stopped trusting a science and democratic institutions and started to look for a Messiah.
    Lucky for us they chose Trump as a Messiah.
    Why lucky?

    Trump did few good thinks – he started to talk about subjects which ruling elites (Democrats and Republicans) preferred to hide: illegal immigration, problem with China, low military spending by NATO countries and outsourcing America jobs, even that during Trump era more American jobs where outsourced than during ‘socialist’ Obama:
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/news...st-the-hard-data-on-trump-s-offshoring-record
    But the most important thing why we are lucky that gullible Americans chose Trump – because Trump is egomaniac who cares only about himself and not a man with a vision like Hitler, Stalin or Putin.

    So until now – IMHO Bush is much worse than Trump and America’s biggest problem are Trump’s gullible followers.
     
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    ""Not only will I not oppose the release of documents related to the unAmerican, unwarranted, and unnecessary raid and break-in of my home in Palm Beach, Florida, Mar-a-Lago, I am going a step further by ENCOURAGING the immediate release of those documents, even though they have been drawn up by radical left Democrats and possible future political opponents, who have a strong and powerful vested interest in attacking me, much as they have done for the last 6 years," Trump said in a statement issued late Thursday…"

    yes and he said he wanted to appear under oath before too, then blamed his own lawyers for doing the opposite

    Trump has no issue lying to the public it seems
     
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    That is the bottom line here. Your summary is spot on.
     
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    There is no evidence that he or those who packed the boxes before he left the White House stole anything at all. Also no evidence that as President Trump did not declassify a lot of documents before noon on 1-20–21
     
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    Garland has a nothing-burger. He had no ration reason to rely on a fascist act against a former President of the United States
     

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