Trump defeats ISIS on the battlefield in one year

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  1. sawyer

    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ISIS came to power during the Obama administration and flourished as Obama first ignored them and then refused to aggressively destroy them. They constantly gained ground and controlled oil that they used to finance their army and terrorism. In one year Trump has taken all their land and killed most of their fighters. This was done with a new policy of air support and by changing Obama's rules of engagement. The media of course isn't covering this much but it's an extremely good development in the state of the world. Good work president Trump.

    "The battle to defeat ISIS in Hawija targeted one of the last pockets of ISIS in Iraq. After the defeat in Mosul and Tal Afar, ISIS was confined to a small pocket 100-km. long by 20-km. wide around the town of Hawija. The only other area occupied by ISIS is in western Iraq’s Anbar province on the border with Syria. The battle to take Hawija began along the Tigris River, west of the town. Iraqi security forces, including the Federal Police, 9th Armored Division, 16th Infantry Division, elite counterterrorism forces, and units of the Hashd al-Shaabi or Shia militias, all attacked ISIS from positions near Sharqat. With overwhelming force and tens of thousands of forces backed by armored vehicles and US-led coalition airpower, the Iraqis proceeded to devastate ISIS. In the three weeks leading up to the battle the coalition launched 52 air strikes to “shape the battlefield” so that whatever ordinance ISIS had would be destroyed."
    ISIS was able to muster forces up until its final demise in the town. On September 28 coalition air strikes destroyed 51 ISIS vehicles. However it seems that, as in the battle for Tal Afar, the morale and leadership of ISIS was severely degraded in the face of such overwhelming firepower.

    Now that Hawija has fallen, the ISIS threat to northern Iraq has changed from one where it holds territory as a conventional armed force, to a terrorist insurgency"

    .http://m.jpost.com/Middle-East/ISIS...ecurity-forces-defeated-ISIS-in-Hawija-506762

    "As Islamic State stands on the brink of defeat in its previous heartlands in Syria and Iraq, analysts say the group’s effort to win the information war is also failing.

    As its propagandists can no longer maintain a pretense of military victory, they are switching attention to trying to inspire attacks overseas.

    A recent video produced by the media arm of Islamic State demonstrates the dramatic change in the group’s multimedia efforts.

    Gone are the scenes of hundreds of victorious ISIS fighters, the huge arsenals of weapons and the boasts about the swaths of territory the militants control. There is no illusion either of the populations living in purported blissful harmony in the Islamic State’s dreamed-of caliphate"

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    To add to the President's positive results, the military had this to say.

    http://time.com/4926525/stephen-townsend-isis-operation-inherent-resolve-mosul/

    President Donald Trump’s decision to grant his military “total authorization” to make combat decisions has allowed the armed forces to be “more aggressive” in the fight against the Islamic State, according to the outgoing commander of U.S.-led coalition forces in Iraq and Syria.

    “It has freed us up a bit to prosecute the war in a more aggressive manner, I think,” said Lt. Gen. Stephen Townsend, head of Operation Inherent Resolve, in an interview with TIME coinciding with his departure from the role he has held since August 2016​
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so the Bush 10+ year wars is over and we can bring are troops home, or is this another 'mission accomplished' banner by a republicans before it's time
     
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    Nice little Trumpgasm you have going for yourself, we can hear the slap-slap - slap coming over the wire.

    Of course it ignores the fact that over half of the ISIS lands were reclaimed before Trump took office and that Syria is now in Russian hands. And ignores the fact that ISIS numbers are growing in other areas as new factions pop up.

    But you go ahead and keep whacking away in your orgasm of “Mission accomplished” self indulgence.
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As I said it's not the end of ISIS but it depletes their power and influence and finances and is hurting recruiting.
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    First off Obama ignored ISIS and let them become a military force that occupied territory. Then he tied the hands of our military to aggressively fight them with air support and he had restrictive rules of engagement. Trump changed the battlefield tactics and the results were immediate.
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's the big decision that got the big results right there!
     
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    Bombing ISIS works better then aiding and abetting them. Who knew?
     
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    First of all..... ISIS would not even have been in Iraq in the first place, had it not been for 0bama horrendous Mid East blunders in Iraq, Libya and Syria.

    0bama took credit for "killing Osama bin Laden," and Trump takes credit for defeating ISIS, and fixing one of 0bama's historic ****-ups.
     
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    Exactly.

    “The leadership team that is in place right now has certainly enabled us to succeed,” Brig. Gen. Andrew Croft, the ranking U.S. Air Force officer in Iraq, told Fox News. “I couldn’t ask for a better leadership team to work for, to enable the military to do what it does best.”

    President Trump gave a free hand to Mattis, who in May stressed military commanders were no longer being slowed by Washington “decision cycles,” or by the White House micromanaging that existed President Obama. As a result of the new approach, the fall of ISIS in Iraq came even more swiftly than hardened U.S. military leaders expected.

    “It moved more quickly than at least I had anticipated,” Croft said. “We and the Iraqi Security Forces were able to hunt down and target ISIS leadership, target their command and control.”​
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Obama was doing what Johnson did in Vietnam and what Kennedy did with the bay of pigs, he was managing the battlefield from the oval office and was achieving the same results. Trump let the professionals on scene do their jobs and they did and are doing them very well.
     
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    Remember when it was learned that 0bama knew where ISIS headquarters building were, and knew that ISIS was generating some $450 million in annual revenue by using fuel oil trucks to transport oil from stolen oil fields, and 0bama refused to bomb either the fuel truck convoys or ISIS HQ?


    Former CIA Head Just Revealed STUNNING Reason Obama Refused To Bomb Prime ISIS Targets


    Former CIA Director Michael Morrell believes that one reason the Obama administration has been so reluctant to go after ISIS oil producing infrastructure is the possibility of “environmental damage.”


    Obama Refuses to Hit ISIS’s Libyan Capital

    Weeks ago, defense officials told The New York Times that they were crafting military plans for such strikes, but needed more time to develop intelligence so that they could launch a sustained air campaign on ISIS in Sirte.

    But those plans have since been put on the back burner.

    “There is little to no appetite for that in this administration,” one defense official explained.


    U.S. Caution in Strikes Gives ISIS an Edge, Many Iraqis Say


    WASHINGTON — American intelligence analysts have identified seven buildings in downtown Raqqa in eastern Syria as the main headquarters of the Islamic State. But the buildings have gone untouched during the 10-month allied air campaign.

    And just last week, convoys of heavily armed Islamic State fighters paraded triumphantly through the streets of the provincial capital Ramadi in western Iraq after forcing Iraqi troops to flee. They rolled on unscathed by coalition fighter-bombers.


    Ex-CIA Chief: Obama Refused Strikes on ISIS Oil Wells Fearing 'Environmental Damage'

    Former CIA Acting Director Mike Morell says the reason why the Obama administration wouldn't bomb and destroy ISIS oil wells was out of concern about "environmental damage."
     
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    Thanks for reminding me of that. I remember Obama saying he didn't want to kill civilians driving ISIS oil trucks. I also remember thinking at the time WTF? If they are driving ISIS trucks they work for ISIS so they are ISIS.
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't think the left likes this thread much.
     
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    But not for the reason you think. After all, the diminution of the land area ISIS controlled had gained momentum before President Bone Spur decided killing civilians by way of collateral damage from bombings was perfectly acceptable. Quite a bit of those gains were achieved by the coalition of regional forces put together by Sec. Kerry when we had an actual Sec.of State.
    Don taking credit for further gains is what he does as we have seen from him taking credit for the economy that was in very good shape prior to his election thanks to synchronized global growth.
    But the real reason people who understand the terrorist threat think it is idiocy to declare some sort of victory is that it is the ideology we are ultimately fighting, not how much land ISIS controls. Keeping that ideology from spreading was one reason Obama felt it was counter productive to indiscriminately bomb ISIS strongholds if by doing so civilians were radicalized by virtue of collateral damage deaths.
    The way to defeat ISIS is information sharing with allies, not giving ISIS a recruiting toll like.........oh I don't know........issuing a religious based travel ban against Muslims, and by treating the vast majority of the non-violent Muslim population with respect.
    But by all means continue to clap your hands like a trained seal when Don proclaims pyrrhic victories for which he deserves little actual credit.
     
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    That’s kind of what your title was assuming.

    Obama did one thing smart Trump didn’t. He brought troops home. ISIS, at its core, has always been most powerful on social media. I’m sure Trumpets don’t want to admit that it was Obama who took down Osama Bin Laden.
     
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    What's your take on Obama refusing to bomb ISIS oil trucks because they were driven by "civilians"?
     
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    Yes, because the Republican playbook is that same “peace through strength” jargon we’ve been hearing since the 80s. Obama realized the military needs to be reduced at an exponential rate.
     
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    ISIS was in the process of building a caliphate and was massing financial and military resources. This display of power and success was a huge inducement for disaffected Muslim youth to join the cause and Trump destroyed that entire infrastructure
     
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    And as he reduced ISIS prospered
     
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    Let Russia deal with ISIS.. and rebuild Syria.
     
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    Let Russia deal with ISIS.. and rebuild Syria.
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You think ISIS is not a threat to us?
     
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    My take is that it is yet another lie you folks believe. The trucks were bombed after leaflets were dropped telling the drivers to flee.

    "US warplanes have destroyed 283 fuel tankers that were being used to transport oil to help fund ISIS in eastern Syria.

    The huge air raid is another milestone as the US-led coalition intensifies its campaign against the jihadists and focuses on their oil-smuggling infrastructure, estimated to net the group some $500 million a year.

    Pentagon spokesman Captain Jeff Davis said the strike occurred Saturday between Al Hasakah and Dayr Az Zawr in the east. It came less than a week after another, similar strike destroyed 116 ISIS fuel trucks.'



    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ivers-45-minutes-airstrike.html#ixzz52fnTFsUs
     
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    10,000 ISIS fighters have now moved to Eastern Afghanistan. Do you want more war?.. Or, do you just want to bash Obama?
     

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