Trump directly involved in talks that led to Stormy Daniels payment, FBI says

So he paid her off because she did a nice rendition of Hello Dolly?

 

If anyone committed a crime, it would be Daniels for blackmail.

 

Yet payment is a condition of guilt..so you admitted your transgression...

 

The part where no one was found guilty, or indicted, for that matter.

 

Having sex with someone isn't illegal, even if he did.

 

I go along with that claim.

 

Hi straw man. Nice to see you again.

 

How, He-Who-Still-Doesn't-Comprehend-Logical-Fallacy-Terms.

"Trump allegedly having sex with Daniels has nothing to do with this."

Tell me more.

 

Yes, the investigation has concluded, and the prosecution
Now it is time for the people to decide what to make of it all
Just because there is no prosecution, that does not mean that we approve, or do not disapprove.

I recall that there was a long investigation into clintons and whitewater. Ultimately there was no prosecution... as in the current trump case. But, as i recall it..., conservatives continued to be deeply offended by those events... and continued to incessantly talk about how disgusting these events were... and how they illustrated the fundamentally sleazy character of the clintons. And liberals had to listen to that from conservatives for 25 years. Why would you think it would be different for donald trump?

 

Other than the part where crimes actually were committed, and people were charged, in the Whitewater scandal.

 

It's not a crime to use your own money to pay off a chick.

 

Yep, I still understand what it means. But congrats on coming up with yet another one. A straw man within a straw man . . . it's strawception! That's honestly some talent.

You see, my claim was that paying her off in this manner is an illegal campaign contribution. Trying to twist that into "It was illegal to sleep with her" is a straw man. Please look up the term. Next, taking that observation and trying to twist it into "Trump allegedly having sex with Daniels has nothing to do with this" is an additional straw man. Of course sleeping with her has something to do with paying her off. The payment is illegal, not the sex.

So, try again: the claim is that paying her off in this manner is an illegal campaign contribution.

Try sticking to the actual claim instead of rewriting the claim to some kind of low hanging fruit that doesn't actually match what the claim says (tl;dr, that's what a straw man is. Try getting through your next post without one).

Keep in mind that the man who made this payment, Cohen, has already pleaded guilty to this crime.

 

What don't you understand about Trump used his own fricking money????

 

#1, I wasn't even responding to you.

#2, Your claim has been destroyed by the source. You should read it.

Etc, etc, womp, womp.

 

They can't let it go. It makes them very sad.

 

Cohen made the payment. If Trump used his own money and did so to influence the campaign, he wouldn't have a spending limit, but he would still be required to report the payment to the FEC.

 

What has the FEC fined him?

 

It was still a straw man. Quote anyone here who has actually made the argument that sleeping with Stormy would be illegal. Even one. Go head. Give it a try.

Except not. And your argument has been destroyed by the fact that we already have a guilty plea.

 

Because first they'd have to demonstrate that the purpose of the payment was to influence the campaign. Cohen has admitted that was his intent.

 

How many elected officials in Congress have reported their hush payments to the FEC again?

What's that? Nobody? Yeah. That's right.

 

Gee, if other people have done it I guess that makes it legal, huh? You guys are comedy gold.

 

Ok buddy, sure thing.

Clearly making a settlement payment is not a condition of guilt, and in fact is designed so that either a) no crime was committed but press exposure is undesired or b) to convince someone not to pursue a legal case

Payments are not an indication of guilt, and a common line in a settlement is that it is NOT an admission of guilt.

No, what you have is a guilty plea from Cohen.

I'm sure you'd like to make Trump guilty by osmosis, but you'll just have to live in reality.

 

Sure. Unless it's not illegal.

The most egregious case in history for this sort of thing couldn't land a conviction.

Keep hopin and wishin.

 

Payment is an admission of guilt plain and simple whether you want to admit it or not that is how jurisprudence functions...Plus we were discussing your traffic fine.
In the case of Trump if he is innocent then he has no need to pay...

 

Hey, as long as the SDNY has no information showing that Trump had knowledge of or directed this activity and did so for the purpose of shielding the campaign, he's in the clear. Fingers crossed, huh?