Trump followers demand their Jack Nicholson moment.

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Donor

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    Unless Don breaks down on the witness stand and has a "you're damn right I did" moment Trumpette's will never accept the truth. Of course, that will never happen because he will never testify under oath.........as Bill Clinton did. Heck, he won't cooperate with the inquiry in any way.........as Bill Clinton did (and Nixon was forced to do). That's because Don is held to a different standard by Trumpers. In their eyes he does not have to bend to tradition, ethical standards, law, the Constitution, precedent, simply because..............Dear Leader.

    It doesn't matter to them that every bit of the documents, first hand testimony, second hand testimony, the Zelensky call transcript, the WB complaint, the documents and comments recently released by Parnas, the testimony of Sondland, Vindman, Yovanovitch, Taylor, Cooper, Hale, Volker, Hill, Kent, Holmes, Croft, Anderson, etc., the circumstantial evidence, EVERY DAMN THING WE KNOW shows Trump is guilty. Has he mounted a defense other than the fatuous lie, "the call was perfect." No.

    Could we have more granular detail of his guilt if he wasn't obstructing the investigation by refusing to turn over any documents (strange behavior for an innocent man) or allowing a number of key witnesses to testify (strange behavior for an innocent man)? Yes. And we should have all the info available before senators make the momentous decision they are called upon to make.

    Thing is, Repubs don't want to see more evidence. They don't want to see any evidence. They want to vote to acquit and be on their merry way...........their support of Trumpery fully intact so they have a chance at re-election. Cuz.......you know.......more evidence means more difficulty justifying acquittal. That's why you can bet this month's rent the spin machine is ramping up to throw Parnas under the bus. Character assassination is Don's stock and trade (curious for someone who himself is the most despicable person ever to be elected to national office) so expect Lev to get a heapin' helpin' of it. Along with the requisite denials from those implicated by Parnas like Billy the Bagman, Pence, and of course, Slimy Rudy.

    Nope, despite a growing mountain of evidence, a consistent fact pattern, the seamless fit of all the disparate pieces of the puzzle coming from the accounts of all involved who have testified, Don's obsequious devotees will not budge. Not until the Liar-in-Chief admits he did it.

    If a Trump supporter can make a credible argument for not hearing more evidence during the Senate proceeding that doesn't involve the ludicrous "if the House didn't provide it then it isn't material," please proceed.
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Self serving hypocrisy, Bill Clinton fought it tooth and toe nail. Claim executive privilege every place he could and escaped conviction solely because neocons have no balls.
     
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    What crimes are Trump guilty of ?? Name the statutes referenced in the articles. There are none - that is the fact pattern throughout this entire impeachment farce.. Witnesses are not needed because there are no alleged crimes and there is no way to further incriminate (as Chuck stated) Trump.

    BTW Clinton was convicted of multiple felonies and was disbarred.
     
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  4. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Donor

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    Allow me to disabuse you of the notion the commission of a crime is a prerequisite for impeachment.



    However...........

    FEC chairwoman reiterates illegality of soliciting campaign help from foreign governments
    https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...s-illegality-of-soliciting-campaign-help-from

    Trump’s Hold on Ukrainian Military Aid was Illegal
    https://www.justsecurity.org/67489/trumps-hold-on-ukrainian-military-aid-was-illegal/

    Obstruction of a congressional inquiry is also illegal.
     
  5. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Donor

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    BTW, I hope you had a chance to watch the Lev Parnas interview who spoke, with first hand knowledge, to the question of Don's motivation for asking that an investigation of Biden be announced.
     
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    It matters not. Trump has the audacity to kick Hillary Clinton's ass and that alone was enough to set them off.
    It is easy to see they are on the verge by counting the number of daily posts by the usual suspects.
    Never forget.
     
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    You have made my point. There is no crime and this farce of an impeachment is nothing but an unethical and immoral attempt by the Democrats to remove a Republican President with whom they disagree and whom they have judged that cannot be defeated in the 2020 election.

    If your however is in any way meaningful why aren't those "crimes" in the articles of impeachment ???
     
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    I think instead he escaped conviction because plenty of those neocons, and the real conservatives, and every other politician too, knew what he did was something that probably goes on quite regularly for men of power. They didn't want to go on record as saying that having an affair and then lieing about it was an impeachable offense because it creates precedent that they and theirs might get rolled over by later on.

    And in reality, we had no business making a federal case out of a personal issue to begin with, something I'm sure was on the minds of the unfaithful and the monogamous alike.
     
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    Well, that guy said something bad about Trump so it's automatically fake news.
     
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    You have the transcript. BTW why aren't Democrats interested in whether the Biden's were involved in any corruption. Biden will most likely be their candidate in 2020. Wouldn't it be prudent to know now and remove Biden from consideration before the election. Regardless there is the Council of Foreign Affairs tape which shows Biden bragging about doing exactly what Trump is accused of. That's damaging enough to sink the Biden candidacy.
     
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    The issue was not the affair - it was the felonies committed in the coverup of the affair and the other instances of misconduct.
     
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    It's old repetitive news. Nothing that has not been alleged before.
     
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    Right, the perjury because he lied about a personal affair. Another reason he was acquitted by his peers. They too know they would lie about an affair up until the moment they couldn't.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Donor

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    IOW, up is down and black is white. I see a lot of that from Trumpette's given that their acceptance of reality is a non-starter.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Donor

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    MOSCOW — Bowing to pressure from international donors, the Ukrainian Parliament voted on Tuesday to remove a prosecutor general who had clung to power for months despite visible signs of corruption.

    But in a be-careful-what-you-wish-for moment, veteran observers of Ukrainian politics said that the prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, had played an important role in balancing competing political interests, helping maintain stability during a treacherous era in the divided country’s history.

    The United States and other Western nations had for months called for the ousting of Mr. Shokin, who was widely criticized for turning a blind eye to corrupt practices and for defending the interests of a venal and entrenched elite. He was one of several political figures in Kiev whom reformers and Western diplomats saw as a worrying indicator of a return to past corrupt practices, two years after a revolution that was supposed to put a stop to self-dealing by those in power.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/30/...-balance-as-ukraine-ousts-top-prosecutor.html

    There is zero evidence of corruption by Biden relative to Shokin's firing. You need a new tree to bark at.
     
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    Clinton was disbarred.

    https://www.reference.com/history/were-charges-behind-bill-clinton-s-impeachment-700df210dc3618e5
     
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    In other words there is no crime except for the obvious corruption of the Biden's which Democrats are strangely not interested in but which could completely destroy the Democratic candidate in 2020.
     
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    Again you make my case. The corruption is obvious to any rational person as is the bragging by Biden of actually bribing Ukraine to remove the prosecutor looking into Burisma. This quacks like a duck and will tank Biden in 2020.
     
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    IOW, without evidence, you accuse Biden of corruption while you deny the evidence of Trump's criminality..........which is a matter of public record.
     
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    Legitimate Democrats are. Paid shills aren't, they simply spam the talking points they are given over and over.
     
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    Taking a quote out of context isn't evidence of anything but your gullibility in believing the distortions of right wing media.

    https://theintercept.com/2019/05/10...e-absolute-nonsense-reformer-says/?comments=1
     
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    Where is the public record of Trump’s convictions of crimes ???
     
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    What context is that ??? Biden bribed Ukraine. He even told Ukraine to call Obama if they didn’t believe the loan guarantees would be withheld. That will sink Biden in 2020.
     
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    Lying to a grand jury - no big deal ????
     
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