Trump Has Degraded The Presidency

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  1. Le Chef

    Le Chef Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I can see that. It's amazing that you can't see the cost and sacrifice.
     
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  2. precision

    precision Well-Known Member

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    First of all you need to use a second person pronoun because I am the one that said it. Next of all you left out the part about it being 2017 and Trump being too stupid to understand that he needs to come out and openly AND SPECIFICALLY rebuke white supremacy. Because of that, he is the worse ever. He is the dumbest ever.
     
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    Le Chef Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "I told you a thousand times not to exaggerate" is a joke.

    Don't take yourself so seriously.
     
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    If you can see that, then you should not say that he is reaping no personal gain from the presidency. Get your story straight before you post.
     
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    Le Chef Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Okay, but I wouldn't be proud of your silly claim that he's the worst ever. Time will tell. You don't want to offer him that opportunity (time). I do. We're only in the first year.
     
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    We don't need any more time to see that he is the dumbest and worse ever. What's your excuse for why he needs Xi Jinping to educate him on the basic geopolitical situation on the Korean pennisula? What's your excuse for crass tweets like "bleeding badly from a facelift?" What's your excuse for why he is too dumb to see that sometimes the President of the United States has to put political considerations aside and exhibit leadership by condemning the ideology of white supremacy?

    By these things and MUCH MORE, Trump is indeed degrading the office of President of the United States. He is the worst ever. Time will not change that.
     
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    I just think you're being too judgmental and you're overreacting. And your language betrays a lack of cool reflection. There is zero evidence for his "dumb"-ness. No one who has worked with him and knows him thinks he is anything other than very bright. Obviously his haters do think he's "dumb," and worse. They're crazy with hate. Obviously Trump is unschooled in certain areas. But that's just inexperience.

    The claim that he is forgiving of white supremacy is just ridiculous. He's got minorities in his cabinet! His daughter and son in law are Jews. They're white, but white supremacists don't see Jews as white.

    I think his problem" in this area is that he occasionally conflates things that are separated by time and should be viewed separately, and so I think that when he is called on to condemn white supremacy in a particular case, images of lunatic anti-fa, and BLM activists and professional race baiters jump into his mind. He doesn't want Al Sharpton taking any victory laps is all.
     
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    You have to do a cost-benefit analysis. He is on balance gaining nothing on a personal level. I'll concede that he lives rent free in the White House for now, and he gets to fly on Air Force One, just to help bolster your own argument. Remember, however, that he could be watching the game in his own, much more luxurious and comfortable place, and he could fly on Trump One if he weren't the president and having to endure ridiculous criticism from people who sit on the sidelines and risk zero.

    So I was and continue to be right.
     
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    If that's the case, Trump isn't much of a success.

    His net worth, according to his latest financial filing, is about $1.8 billion. This is about the same as it was 15 years ago, when his father died and left him his rental properties.

    He has a long history of broken promises, bad deals, lawsuits and unpaid bills.

    In 2008 he was forced to sell the crown jewel of his father's holdings, the Hudson River Yards.

    Since Trump loudly claimed that he was worth $10 billion when he rode the esculator two years ago, he has either lost a lot of money, or he was never worth that much to begin with. Trumpsters ignore the obvious lies, as usual.

    Given his behavior, I doubt that he's even worth $1.8 billion. And between his having to rely on Russian gangsters for finance (because Wall Street won't do business with him) and the fact that he has been steadily cashing assets, I'm fairly certain that Ivanka will have to get by on Jared's money in the long run,
     
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    What cost and what sacrifice?

    Trump has peddled himself from day one, and once we're rid of him, he will declare victory and boast about how he made money out of being President.
     
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    LOL @ cool reflection. Your "cool reflection" is like that of someone smoking pot who thinks he is engaging in cool reflection. "Yeah man, Trump is a genius. Give me another hit of that bong!"

    Here's some cool reflection for you. Answer this. If Trump is so bright as you claim, then why did he go into a major meeting with Xi Jinping, the President of China, without having adequately prepared himself on the geopolitical situation on the Korean peninsula? Not only was he not adequately prepared, but then he was so damn dumb that he let the entire world know he was not prepared with one of his dumb tweets.

    Here's something else to put in your pot bong. Some things are beyond politics and require firm leadership. Let's suppose that the president is the only eyewitness to a dispute between a white supremacist and a black panther in which the white supremacist kills a policeman who tries to break of the dispute. Let's suppose that the black panther in falsely accused of shooting the policeman, and only the president's testimony can acquit the black panther. Should the president cater to his racist base and let the black panther be falsely convicted? Or should be speak out and tell the truth about what happened? That is a situation that is beyond politics. No matter where you stand on the political spectrum, you should speak out and tell the truth so that an innocent person is not wrongly convicted. Similarly, this is a time when we need leadership from the president, to openly and specifically condemn the dangerous ideology of white supremacy. We don't need an idiot who is too dumb to do the needful. We don't need a coward who is to afraid to do the needful. We need strong leadership from Trump on this issue now. But he has chosen to be a stupid coward. Very sad.
     
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    I'm not here to be insulted. Goodbye.
     
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    The cost is in terms of person privacy, personal opportunity, business opportunity, and tranquility. If I had that much money, I'd tell all you haters to drop dead and go fishing. Maybe take my guitar and harmonica out on the boat.

    You have no idea what he will boast about after he leaves office.
     
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    :rolleyes:
     
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    Sorry. I know those were tough questions. If you can't handle it and need a way to save face, I understand. Have a good day!
     
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    Sorry but someone who can read or say exactly what speech writers and strategists tell you to say doesn't make you any better. It only makes you "appear" or "sound" better. But inside they're mostly all the same.

    When Obama allowed BLM and ANTIFA to form and supported them, it was such a great success. Millions in damage. Cops dead. When an unprecedented number of people went on welfare while OBama watched and supported it, what proud moment...for Dems since that's what they wanted all along. The more govt workers and the more on welfare the better for them.
     
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    In case you did not notice, Obama is not president now, Trump is. Trump needs to step up to the plate and show leadership. He is not. He needs to specifically condemn the ideology of white supremacy. But unfortunately he is a coward, and therefore cannot bring himself to do it.
     
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    A bunch of guys standing around a statue that most people have never heard of is hardly a representation of national politics. Do many people even know what the statue is?

    They represent a national mood no more than a bunch of guys in masks smashing windows at an auditorium on a college campus, or people rioting after an unpopular jury verdict.

    It is all just chest thumping.

    What represents a political movement is voting.
     
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    Yeah....you're right. I should be less serious about watching my country be slowly destroyed and it's institutions degraded while the culture and society is torn apart by the President meant to uphold and strengthen it. I should certainly relax about the humiliation I feel from international partners ignoring our once respected country because they know it's President is not to be believed or taken seriously.
     
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    There has been quite of bit of opposition to the removal of confederate relics, much of that opposition in rooted in white racism. Furthermore, Republicans have been subtly catering to such sentiments for a while now. Its not only come back to bite them in the butt, but it is taking the country down a dangerous path as well. They need to stop.
     
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