Trump has provoked more division, hatred, violent threats, than any president in history

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  1. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not only that, but actual brain cells die by the mIllions, resulting in a sharp drop in IQ.

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    The left cry foul every single time they lose. Why can't Trump?
     
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    I don't share your admiration for such complaining. But not even the left, whom you wish to replicate apparently, went this far. Not even close. No one has gone further to try to overthrow our elections, and you continue to support him even after he did so. It's pathetic. You've admitted he's as bad as tens of thousands of fringe leftists smooshed together, but you admire him for it.

    If all he did was "cry fowl," then he'd be a pathetic man child, but that would be the worst of it. He went further. He didn't just "cry fowl."
     
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    What has he done? And don't give me any leftist wet dreams. Oh, I forgot, he grabbed for a steering wheel. So, he claims election fraud in 2020 and that the election was stolen. We put up with that nonsense for more than four years from the left after the 2016 election. Why is it the left can complain about stolen elections but Trump can't?
     
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    He sent his lawyers to try to invalidate the votes of an entire ****ing state, for starters. Just to erase them. He also pressured officials to disregard their state laws to give the EC votes to him. He also pressed for a fake elector scheme, in which Pence was supposed to ignore official EC votes and "choose" to count "alternative" votes instead. When Pence refused to follow along, the new plan became for Pence to declare that the EC votes of 5 entire states just shouldn't count at all, and that Trump was the winner because he had the majority of the remaining states. And, if that didn't work, the next plan was to ignore the EC ENTIRELY and kick the vote over to the House.

    Nothing close to this happened in 2016. Not even close. Whoever told you that pathetic, easily debunked lie was either dumber than a sack of hammers or was just counting on you not being capable of critical thought.
     
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    so it worked ! we have enough measures where a Trump could not steal an election! GOD BLESS AMERICA
     
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    It's all woulda coulda shoulda. Bernie incited one of his followers to go shoot up Republicans in Congress, trying to overthrow our government. Current prominent democrats incited protesters to be violent with Supreme Court justices, with one person going to do just that. Hillary & Co conspired to overthrow a legitimately elected president. Many democrats called Trump an illegitimate president and refused to go to Trump's inauguration. Some prominent democrats refused to certify the 2016 elections results. Democrats encouraged electors to be faithless in 2016. The list goes on and on.
     
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    This time, yes. And I agree. God bless America for being able to stop this wannabe dictator. However, there were only a handful of people stopping him. And he and his faction are busy trying to get people elected to state positions who would back them up next time. And, despite the fact that he tried to overthrow the government, he's praised for it and remains the leader of one of our two major parties.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    And when did he do the right things for the country? Was it when, for example, in the Treasury Dept.....

    • Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin got personally rich during his 17 years at Goldman Sachs, specializing in the kind of private-label mortgage securities that would end up nearly wrecking the global economy in 2008.
    • He got richer by capitalizing on the carnage to buy a failing, scandal-stained bank on the cheap and carry out 36,000 foreclosures (many involving high-risk reverse mortgages marketed to elderly homeowners) while collecting federal subsidies intended to help keep people in their homes.
    • In 2015 and 2016, Mnuchin led the fundraising effort for candidate Donald Trump, raising $169 million.
    • A day after being nominated for the job, Mnuchin declared the watering-down of Dodd-Frank bank rules his “top priority.”
    • As head of the Financial Stability Oversight Council and leader of the agency overseeing the IRS, Mnuchin has been the administration’s point man in efforts to weaken bank regulations, obscure scrutiny of financial activities, and provide favorable tax rulings for wealthy individuals and businesses—an expanse of territory filled with opportunities for him to bestow favors on industry cronies.
    • In 2017, Mnuchin’s office released recommendations for tax regulations that were almost entirely lifted from a memo put out by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.
    • Mnuchin overruled IRS lawyers to block disclosure of Trump tax returns.
    • After attending a conference hosted by convicted securities crook Michael Milken, Mnuchin intervened in rule-writing deliberations, making it easier for Milken to qualify for the “Opportunity Zone” tax break. Milken later secured a presidential pardon with Mnuchin’s further assistance.
    • In other decisions involving Opportunity Zones, Mnuchin’s team failed to insist on eligibility guidelines ensuring that low-income areas and residents benefit, as the law stipulates. “At every step, the Treasury Department has made it easier for wealthy investors to reap a taxpayer windfall” from Opportunity Zones, says Senator Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat who has introduced legislation that would force investors to disclose more information about their spending and its effects.
    • Others in a position to benefit from Treasury’s Opportunity Zone decisions include the family of Donald Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner; former Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey; Richard LeFrak, a New York real-estate magnate and longtime Trump associate; and former White House aide Anthony Scaramucci.

    Or was it when, in the Justice Dept. His AG....

    • In a job traditionally defined as “the nation’s chief law enforcement officer,” William Barr has often seemed to act as the president’s defense lawyer and legal errand-runner. He has shown his loyalty to the chief executive by, among other things, writing and releasing a deceptive “summary” of the Mueller report before the actual contents were made public.
    • Barr also bypassed Senate confirmation to install acting U.S. attorneys in New York and New Jersey—offices crucial to the fate of corruption charges against the Trump administration or family.
    • He has repeatedly kept evidence of Trump misdeeds from reaching agencies or officials who might pursue them.
    • Barr has advanced a series of extreme legal arguments for noncooperation with congressional requests and inquiries.
    • He has gone out of his way to denigrate the president’s critics and lend credibility to his conspiracy theories.
    • After Trump complained about the DOJ’s sentencing recommendations for Roger Stone (convicted of lying to Congress and obstructing justice), Barr overruled prosecutors and softened their recommendation. Trump tweeted his “congratulations to Attorney General Barr for taking charge of a case that was totally out of control and perhaps should not have even been brought.”
    • Barr was also a key figure in granting additional pardons to white-collar criminals with influence at the White House or in the inner circles of the Republican Party.
    • Although best known for his fervent defense of President Trump, Barr has a history of lucrative legal work for telecoms and other giant companies, along with a recent record of action and inaction that has given corporate America cause to be extremely grateful for his service at the Justice Department.
    • Since Trump became president, the number of federal prosecutions of white-collar criminals (over price-fixing, tax fraud, and environmental offenses, for example) has fallen to its lowest level in decades. When it comes to the resolution of such cases, Assistant Attorney General Brian Benczkowski (see below) has told prosecutors to weigh the “financial burden” of ordering a company to be supervised by an independent monitor. Benczkowski’s directive appears to be intended to help corporate criminals avoid even that comparatively modest sanction.
    Or, was it when, in his State Dept.....

    • The U.S. has a long tradition of bestowing ambassadorships on wealthy friends of the president and his party. Donald Trump has taken it to new extremes, making more crony appointments than any past president and giving them to people with weaker qualifications in return for bigger sums of money.
    • His picks have included, as ambassador to Iceland, a dermatologist who had never even visited the country; as ambassador to the Bahamas, a real-estate developer who in his Senate confirmation testimony incorrectly described his assignment as a former U.S. rather than British protectorate; and as ambassador to Slovenia, the founder of an evangelical charity known for sharing bizarre right-wing social media posts such as “The Clinton ‘Body Count’ EXPANDS—5 Mysterious DEATHS in the last 6 weeks.”
    • Secretary of State Mike Pompeo was actively involved in the Trump-directed campaign to discredit former Vice President Biden. In addition, Pompeo refused to defend the career ambassador to the Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch, against baseless accusations promoted by Rudy Giuliani in order to facilitate deals for himself and his cronies and carry out the plan to have Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky announce an investigation into the business activities of former Vice President Joe Biden’s son.
    • Yovanovitch is just one of many high-ranking State Department professionals who have been unfairly demoted, reassigned, or disparaged by the White House and pro-Trump forces. Pompeo is not known to have stood up for any of them.
    • After participating in a key phone call between President Trump and Zelensky, Pompeo failed to acknowledge being on the line until evidence of his involvement surfaced.
    • During the House impeachment hearings, Pompeo tried to keep State Department officials from testifying and refused to supply investigators with requested documents.
    • One former White House official has described Pompeo as “among the most sycophantic and obsequious people around Trump.” An ex-ambassador has likened him to “a heat-seeking missile for Trump’s ass.”

    See, I have list longer than the above in each of the above cabinets he oversaw, in in each and every other cabinet he oversaw, viewable here:

    https://prospect.org/mapping-corruption-interactive
    We are suffering the effects of the pandemic, and to blame all the chaos, to whcih Trump contributed on Biden is unfair and unjust.

    Words do matter
     
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    RINO state legislatures and actual insurrectionists like Steve Bannon have been working overtime to erode those protections ever since.
     
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    trust me he will not get elected
     
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    Except he didn't. But your desperation to run away and hide from the discussion is noted.

    Also false.

    Refusing to go to an inauguration is petty, but nothing compared to what I've already outlined . . . and you have run and hid from.

    I seem to recall 9 petty, idiot House democrats doing so. 9. No Senate Dems supported them and they were quickly gaveled down by (checks notes) a guy name Joooe Bi-den? Weird.

    The majority of House Republicans backed this bull ****. The ****ING MAJORITY. And they had Senate backing. AND TRUMP HIS ****ING SELF WAS PUSHING THIS. No one is dumb enough to think these things are equivalent. No one. You could stick a drill bit up your nose, give it a couple of swirls, and still not be dumb enough to buy this desperately self-deceptive bull ****.

    You can beg me to stop thinking all you want, but I'm not going to obey.
     
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    The fact that he's still popular in the party (and THE most popular option so far), after trying to install himself as an unelected dictator, is all I need to know to be worried about the party.
     
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    I would love to see all disgruntled Americans vote 3rd Party
     
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    I would as well. As I have done in the past. But if one of the two major parties has decided that it is just okay with installing unelected dictators, then I'll have to to reconsider. I used to say (and you can check my post history) that both sides have their crazies, but neither is represented by them. If Trump and his supporters remains in charge of the party, however, then we have a side that is represented by their crazies.
     
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    people will wise up
     
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    Wow. You spent an impressive amount of time criticizing Trump's cabinet members. I would counter with the incomparable incompetence of Biden's cabinet but I don't have the energy or even motivation to do it. At any rate I agree that Trump was a disaster in terms of personality but his policies were sound despite your anger at his cabinet secretaries. Maybe someone else will have the energy to respond with more than my vacuousness.
     
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    LOL. That's your problem. You have runaway thinking.
     
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    Silly me. Thank you for telling me that thinking is all that stands in my way of being a Trump supporter. I've always suspected as much. However, I have no intention of turning my brain off. Sorry.
     
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    I think that sums things up nicely.
     
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    I know. Your runaway imagination churns out some pretty wet dream stuff.
     
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    The Oran
    The Orange Stain nor any of his whores have every presented an ounce of evidence. I'm not partisan. I've been asking for proof since Election Day. Do you have anything other than conspiracy theories and "gut feelings" that the Orange Mafia Boss won legitimately? Why haven't you given that information to the elected officials that can overturn the election?

    Go ahead. Post it. I'll wait. Post it. Send it pm if you're worried about the mods. Won't hold my breath (I would die if I tried that since there is nothing but a sociopath claiming he won) but I'll wait.

    P.S. Personally, I would like for there to be some concrete proof of "widespread election fraud" that tipped it toward Biden. That's easier to deal with than knowing you and your ilk elected a crazy person.
     
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    You are aware that your username is a misnomer, right? Asking for a friend. /smdh
     
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    Are you saying that voting rules in certain states were not illegally changed? What about the drop boxes? What about more Mail in ballots coming back than were mailed out? What about suitcases hidden under tables and votes being counted multiple times?
     
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