Trump immigration policy and Islamic restoration...

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are President Trump's immigration policies setting the stage for
    the most massive outpouring of the Holy Spirit to ever occur?

    Will it be felt most in the Islamic world?

    Let's face it..... when the majority of Muslims see that Honor Killings and
    Feminine Genital Mutilation and participation in plans to
    over throw democratic governments......
    are backfiring......
    they could well be inspired and encouraged to initiate what will lead to
    what a woman from Alberta, Canada was shown back in 2009.

    The possible connection here is fairly obvious!



    http://libertyalliance.com/trumps-new-executive-order-includes-mandate-honor-killings/

    Trump’s New Executive Order Includes Mandate on Honor Killings
     
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    One of the best stories about honor killings is the one in Genesis chapter 34 where Jacob's thug sons went on a rampage and killed their sister's boyfriend and all the men in the town, burned the town down and kidnapped all of the women and children and stole everything they could carry.

    Trump would have had a field day with that group.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The time is coming... when the weakest Christian will be comparable to.....
    and soon "greater than" John the Baptist......
    and the time is coming when the most "feeble' resident of Jerusalem will be comparable to.....
    or greater than King David.......

    ... and your answer indicates that you are beginning to have something of a prophetic gift The Wyrd of Gawd.....

    no kidding......


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/reincarnation.498293/

    reincarnation?

    ......

    You have said it well.......
    perhaps it is true that The Donald... in another time and place.....
    had a "field day' with that group!?
     
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    no it isn't obvious at all, what you quoted could be said of anytime, or all the time since the day of Pentecost after Jesus return to the Father.

    mankind can understand power and glory when they experience or see its source as a threat to their lives in the flesh. but mercy, healing, repentance and the disregard for accusations, isn't considered powerful and glorious, because it of no perceived threat to their lives in the flesh.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did you know that Jewish Rabbi's have been predicting that the
    alliance of Muslims and Christians against the Jewish people will end
    soon?

    Read more at https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/...-final-battle-of-messiah/#10l1CtC7cuDxA9HS.99
     
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    I doubt too many people are going to be affected by the words of a woman who believes the "Holy Spirit had me praying in tongues and in travail for the muslim people's salvation in Christ Jesus".

    I doubt anyone outside this thread or cult groups will ever even hear of her.

    Those who do will just lump her and her utterances into the massive heap of religious woo.
     
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    People have been saying that for 2000 years.
     
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    ecco Well-Known Member

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    Oh, goody. Another link to a video that someone thinks people should waste time watching.

    I guess it's easier to post a link to a video than to actually write something.
     
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    Your sentiment is noted, often it certainly is easier and I wouldn't want to waste your time.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    True.... but when Multiverse Theory is factored into the equation
    we can begin to look at any moment in time as a time in which
    Moshiach ben Ephrayim and/ or Moshiach ben David can be raised up
    as long as somebody on earth has attained Elijah level Consciousness.


    http://www.chabad.org/library/moshiach/article_cdo/aid/101679/jewish/The-Personality-of-Mashiach.htm

    The Personality of Mashiach
    The Personality of Mashiach
    By J. Immanuel Schochet

     
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    I got through the first moment and I already disagree with her......
    I do NOT think that the understanding of the Koran by the Prophet Muhammad
    is as important to me..... as my understanding of the Koran......
    .... which is that The Prophet Muhammad, (peace be upon him).... may have had either an
    out of the body experience or even a near death experience.......
    he was shown all kinds of different things in several higher dimensions of space - time
    and he understood what he was shown within the context of what his parents and mentors had taught him up
    until the time of his spiritual experience.

    I believe that near death experiencer Kevin Williams has written an excellent article
    on the possible comparisons between his spiritual experience with that of modern NDE
    accounts.


    http://www.near-death.com/religion/islam.html

    Near-Death Experiences and Islam


    .......
     
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    You are probably largely correct
    but more and more of us are getting family members and friends
    who could be termed either Pentecostal or Charismatic and once you know some of these people
    you may become more interested in writings like this.

    At the least..... those paragraphs could be useful due to the fact that Pentecostals and Charismatics
    have significant influence with President Trump's administration.


    Here is a verse from ancient Islamic writings that could alter the economy of the Middle East,
    significantly decrease the probability of WWIII being initiated in the Middle EAst......
    which could cause a significant boost in the world economy.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...rleans-and-florida-from-rising-oceans.300460/


    The Sahara Forest Project...and saving New Orleans and Florida from rising oceans!

     
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    I just finished listening to the entire video.....
    it was very well done....
    and although I did somewhat disagree with her on that one point that I made in post #12
    I am glad that I listened to her video.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-prophet-to-the-prophet-muhammad-pbuh.341905/

    I believe Abraham said "good son and good Prophet" to The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
     
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    Puleese. Don't try to use sciency sounding terms. It just makes your "arguments" sound even sillier.

    B. Mashiach In Every Generation

    Any time is a potential time for the coming of Mashiach.7 This does not mean, however, that at the appropriate time he will suddenly emerge from Heaven to appear on earth.8 On the contrary: Mashiach is already on earth, a human being of great saintly status (a tzadik) appearing and existing in every generation. “In every generation is born a progeny of Judah fit to be Israel’s Mashiach!”9
    That sounds eerily like something from the Heaven's Gate or Scientology beliefs.

    You are not going to head for a cot, take a long drink and hope for reincarnation are you?
     
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    That's how cults (dangerous and relatively benign) grow.

    That's just one more reason for rational people to fear the Trump Presidency.

    Is there any woo you don't accept?
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your definition of the word "cult" and my definition are probably quite different........
    in many ways, although he is an insightful writer who deserves some credit......
    I believe that Richard Dawkins Ph. D. is guilty of beginning a cult....... in that he is so dogmatic in his Atheism.......
    that his approach tends to turn Atheism.....
    into a religion..... much as was done by Stalin.


    I plead guilty to fearing Hillary......
    she was at the bottom of my list of who I would have preferred to become President
    back in November.
    My list in order of preference:
    1. Donald Trump
    2. Bernie Sanders
    3. Dr. Jill Stein
    4. Gary Johnston

    5. Hillary Clinton...... Philosophically... I know that I am not supposed to fear people.....
    but I truly did fear what Hillary would probably do in order to cover her tracks.... if she had been elected.

    I am of the belief that the Christian dogma of heaven vs hell is
    rather in accurate.......... I am a Universalist..... so an eternal hell from which there is zero possibility of escape / rising up out of..... is a concept that I just can't believe in.......

    I even believe that the most fallen of the fallen angels.....
    will eventually rise up out of their attitudes of pride, un-thankfulness, lust and bitterness.........


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ally-led-back-to-heaven-paradise-love.287233/

    Universal Salvation, is everybody eventually led back to heaven/paradise/love?
     
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    Your definition of the word "religion" and my definition are very different.
    Your definition of the word "religion" and the actual definition are very different.
    re·li·gion
    rəˈlijən/
    noun
    the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

    I'm sure you know that atheists do not have a "belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods."​

    You have the right to your opinions. You do not have the right to re-define words.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No.... but I am allowed to have a different view of "a superhuman controlling power" than
    you or others may have.

    It is my believe that the truly Super Human Intelligences that have existed from eternity in the past......
    are firm believers in the long term value of freedom of choice......
    and the power and responsibility that comes along with freedom of choice that they
    have given to angels..... and to humans.....

    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a06
     
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    In my opinion we now have a better understanding of
    our ability to positively alter the future that was extremely
    uncommon during the dark ages.

    http://www.near-death.com/science/research/future.html#a03
     
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    You stated Dawkins' approach was to turn atheism into a religion. I ask you to defend, or at least explain, that.
     
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    To my thinking Dogmatism.....
    in almost any form for any belief system.... tends to turn that belief system into something that sure resembles a religion.

    Competition for the State official religion of Atheism was persecuted mercilessly behind the Iron and Bamboo Curtain.

    Frankly... I have listened to an interview with Richard Dawkins Ph. D. where his comments prove that he is actually an Agnostic.......
    not an Atheist at all.......
    but he terms himself an Atheist probably due to the pressure on
    intellectuals to term themselves Atheist... if they wish to be taken seriously by many scientists.

    Once somebody goes far enough to admit to the possibility of an alien civilization becoming technologically advanced thousands...... or perhaps millions of years previous to our doing so.......
    all we have to do is include a life form / Intelligence in a more fundamental form of energy..... and voila......
    we are actually pretty close to some variations of Theism.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL7CCyuXAS4
    Richard Dawkins: Aliens Seeded Earth?
     
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    True... technically that is a good example of an Honor Killing but.......
    on a scale of one to ten......
    one being highly inaccurate....
    and ten being very accurate.......

    how accurate do you think the following post probably is?


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ith-iran-may-reflect-on-georgia.218425/page-8

    How the situation with Iran may reflect on Georgia



     
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    I don't disagree with your overall concept.
    dog·ma·tism
    ˈdôɡməˌtizəm/
    noun
    1. the tendency to lay down principles as incontrovertibly true, without consideration of evidence or the opinions of others.

    However, science is always advancing. New theories are advanced, discussed and researched, and accepted or discarded. That is not dogmatism.

    Wrong again. Political leaders take one of two approaches.
    1. Use religion for their benefit as Hitler did using the words and beliefs of Martin Luther to inflame Christian Germans' hatred toward Jews.
    2. Ban all dissenting voices like a free press, opposition leaders and religions.
    Banning religions does not equate to promoting atheism to a religion.

    And wrong for the third time. People like you intentionally misuse Dawkins Alien Seeding comments. A civilization, regardless of how advanced they may be, is still not a civilization of Gods.
     
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    I will deal with your last rather dogmatic statement first.......
    you are partly correct.... a technologically advanced alien civilization......
    whether it is extraTerrestrial or extra Dimensional.... is not automatically G-dlike but........

    the particular extraDimensional civilization that did ..... create Adam and Eve.... if they also
    can and have and/ or will resurrect human life..... they they indeed do have a level of technology that is G-dlike........

    The evidence for Multiverse Theory....... specifically applied Multiverse Theory... is also evidence for
    an astonishingly advanced ExtraDimensional alien civilization..............


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...cal-implications-of-multiverse-theory.424926/
     
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