Trump impeachment testimonies start today

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  1. fullmetaljack

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    You said the top quote(bolded) was wrong. I asked you "How so?". The definition of impeachment is, basically, an indictment by the House of Representatives directed at the POTUS. If this is wrong, please explain.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'll accept the reality of it. Not the legitimacy.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I am fearful that that could very well happen. If Trump wins and Democrats fail to take over the Senate. Right now the only thing keeping us from this being a dictatorship is the expectation that he will be held accountable for all the crimes and high crimes he has committed. But at this very point in time, Trump can do and does pretty much whatever the hell he wants. And he is protected by his minions in the different Departments
     
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    I wrote a couple of posts back that the only thing keeping us from being a full-fledged dictatorship is the expectation that Trump will be held accountable for his crimes under our current system of laws. I am fairly confident that that will happen.

    I am 100% in agreement with the rest of your post.
     
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    Not according to Levandowski
     
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    What do you believe it is
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Gee, I dunno... the words written in the Constitution?

    Unless you believe that a President can promise pardons for everybody who lies to save him/her when he/she is impeached.
     
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    Not only can I read. I have a pretty good short-term memory.

    So?
    Who the hell gives a damn about NDAs? Cohen is doing time for conspiring with Individual 1 to violate campaign contribution laws. Obviously Individual 1 will have to do some time too.... whoever that is....
     
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    What you say and what the poster I responded to says are different things. So what is it you're confused about?
     
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    I don't have to "believe what it is". Read my sig. I research.
     
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    It says nothing about impeachment...what did your research tell you it was?
     
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    You want a bibliography of my research? I wouldn't even know how to prepare it, given that it spans for several decades. Starting from the Nixon years, which was the first time I heard the word.

    If you ask because you want to learn about it, you can start with the following. It's a document I have in my bookmarks because I have used it often in multiple discussions for several years.

    https://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/98-806.pdf
     
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    Odd because you said it was wrong when someone said impeachment means you’ve been charged by the house and move to the senate for a trial.

    So based on your link then you agee, impeachment is the process when someone has been in “charged” to be removed from office, and then goes on to the senate for the trial? Or do you not understand your link?
     
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    If you're going to comment about a conversation, make sure you understand the context. "Means" not in the sense of "implies" but in the sense of "this is the definition" (the meaning). That is not a proper definition.
     
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    White flag noted
     
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    Not always. If a subpoena is unconstitutional under the separation of powers it can be ignored. What do you think Nadler would do it the AG subpoenaed his tax and financial records just to see what he might find? Or directed the FBI to interview Nadler's staff to see if they can uncover anything?
     
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    so now slanderous opinions are considered proof? lol
     
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    The president can pardon anybody at anytime he wants whether is is being investigated or even has been impeached. He cannot pardon following a conviction of impeachment because he would no longer be president. Hypothetically, if someone is convicted of perjury during an impeachment inquiry the president can absolutely grant that someone a pardon. The words in the constitution say that a president cannot pardon a person who has been impeached and convicted -- the only limited exception to anybody at anytime.
     
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    Does it mean we won’t have elections in 2024 if Trump is re-elected?
     
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    You have no knowledge -- none -- that Cohen is doing any prison time whatsoever for his guilty plea of campaign contribution laws. Nobody except the judge knows that. And the odds are very high that Cohen was not sentenced to any prison time for his guilty plea; most judges are reluctant to send someone to prison for pleading guilty to a non-crime. The odds are very high that the SDNY asked for and got a singular covers-all sentence so that the cloud of suspicion would hang out there and keep people riled up; otherwise why would they care?
     
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    And you believe that matters because..................................??
     
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    I was simply correcting Golem's uninhibited lack of knowledge
     
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    Any subpoena can be challenged in court. You can ask a judge to quash it. Ignoring one is not part of the process.
     
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    Or one could ignore it and let the server ask a judge to enforce it or hold in contempt.
     

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