Trump is considering 'herd immunity', the failed Covid strategy which killed thousands in Europe

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  1. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    If I'm six feet away from you as I pass by, and by you wearing a mask, 90% of your cough droplets can only travel at most four feet instead of the normal 15 feet, I'm safer from being infected by you Which bit don't you understand?
     
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    It must be very difficult for you to dispute the medical leaders of our country.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/16/cdc...ore-protection-than-coronavirus-vaccine-.html
    But having said that I an still waiting for you to show test data that shows masks provide no protection for virus the size of Covid 19.
     
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    I'm pretty sure at least 2 people with Covid have sneezed, yet I don't have it yet. How can that be?

    A single cough releases about 3,000 respiratory droplets that travel at 50 miles per hour. Most droplets are large, and quickly fall to the ground, but many remain airborne and can travel across a room in a few seconds. A single sneeze releases about 30,000 droplets traveling up to 200 miles per hour. Most droplets are small and travel great distances. The droplets from a single cough or a sneeze emitted by an infected person may contain as many as 200,000,000 virus particles.

    http://www.clinlabnavigator.com/sars-cov-2-infectious-dose.html

    Sleepy so sleepy waiting for gfm7175 data.
     
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    Infectious disease experts say studies show masks result in greatly reduced infections. Today, CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield repeated this and strongly recommended wearing a mask. He also said that if everyone would wear a mask indoors in public settings, we could get this virus under control in 6 to 12 weeks. Are you going to pretend to know more than the experts? You can cite all the nice-sounding and seemingly "logical" cherry-picked words you like and you still would be spewing unscientific and DANGEROUS opinion against the facts presented by medical experts.
     
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    Trump is not "considering" herd immunity...he is actively pursuing it.
     
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    Back to the subject of the thread: "herd mentality" as Trump botched it without ever realizing it.

    Mayo Clinic: "there are some major problems with relying on community infection to create herd immunity to the virus that causes COVID-19. First, it isn't yet clear if infection with the COVID-19 virus makes a person immune to future infection.

    Research suggests that after infection with some coronaviruses, reinfection with the same virus — though usually mild and only happening in a fraction of people — is possible after a period of months or years. Further research is needed to determine the protective effect of antibodies to the virus in those who have been infected.

    Even if infection with the COVID-19 virus creates long-lasting immunity, a large number of people would have to become infected to reach the herd immunity threshold. Experts estimate that in the U.S., 70% of the population — more than 200 million people — would have to recover from COVID-19 to halt the epidemic. "

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...th/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808

    Currently the rate of fatality for COVID is 2.97% of those who become infected. Let's say the number of fatalities from COVID is significantly less than that. Let's say the death rate is just 2%. Hence, if it would theoretically require 200 million people to become infected and sick to produce herd immunity, then at 2% that means 4 million people would die from it in the process! Are any of you willing to call for and accept that??

    Next, think of the strain that would put on our medical facilities. We are approaching 200,000 deaths and the strain on medical personnel has been extreme. Now imagine 20 times that.

    And finally, do you know how "herd immunity" works? How did it work in the case of the Bubonic Plague? What it did was kill most of those who became sick. It was those remaining few who recovered who developed herd immunity. The few whom it didn't kill developed immunity. But in the case of COVID, we don't yet know if recovery results in long-term immunity! With the flu, it doesn't. Yet some DOPE in the White House wants to push ahead with exposure, watch 4 million people die (he doesn't care because he is a sociopath, which means he lacks normal human compassion), AND HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHETHER RECOVERING FROM THIS VIRUS PRODUCES IMMUNITY!!!!!

    How much more do you need to know that he is not just stupid, but DANGEROUS?
     
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    Fox TV Pundit, Scott Atlas, a neuroradiologist, no expertise in infectious disease, is whispering 'herd immunity' in Trump's ear. Trump likes it because Altas is saying, 'spread of the virus is good, we'll get to herd immunity quicker.' "Look ma, no mask" !! We don't have to wear masks, and this is why millions of Trump's base aren't wearing masks now. Trump likes it because his base likes it, and that's good for Trump votes. It's not about saving lives, it's about reelection, damn saving lives, who cares if a bunch of losers kick the bucket, they probably deserved it, anyway, right?

    Well, infections are going up in those states. They are relaxing the mask mandate in many red states now. Let's call this what it really is, reckless genocide.

    Problem, the journey to herd immunity would take, estimates are, 70% of the population, and millions will die if that is the case, and that could take a long long time.

    It is a mindbogglingy stupid policy, nad Trump is apparently secretly going for it, despite advice to the contrary.
     
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    Do you have any idea how long it would take, and how many deaths would occur, if we let the virus go, unchecked, to reach herd immunity in a nation of 350,000?

    Think about it, the number is in the millions and it would take a few years, and the rampant infections would KILL the economy far worse than anything we are experiencing now.

    it's simply not an option for a nation of the size of America, and covid is much more deadlier than the flu/

    Bit here's the real clincher, we don't even know if antibodies protect someone against reinfection or a shot will prevent infection.

    WE just don't know, so shooting for herd immunity is gambling with the lives of millions of Americans, and constitutes reckless genocide.

    Scott Atlas is a dangerous man, and they should take away his medical license before he starts really killing people in some bigger numbers.
     
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    They will only have enough vaccinate a small population, only high priority types. For production of a vaccine for the rest of the population that's going to take at least a year, maybe two.

    Also, it is not known whether or not the vaccine actually works. They've tested it, but only for antibodies. We simply do not aware of it's actual ability to protect humans, as I understand it.
     
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    Where is your sig, I don't see it?
     
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    Keep working
    Keep wearing masks
    Keep your distance

    The only proven “Let’s keep working” strategy, however, ineffective when 40% of the population are acting like repulsive children.
     
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    Bottom line; Herd immunity, absolutely not an option during an election year.

    Imagine a minimum death toll of 500,000 VERSUS our current “repudiated” 200,000 death toll.
     
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    Quote; Liberals want lockdowns

    False!

    Ironically, liberals want “We, The People” to adhere to 2 conservative beliefs;

    a. Personal\Individually Responsibility; Thus, Individually, how can we prevent/minimize the spread of Covid19, and reduce its death toll?.....BE RESPONSIBLE!

    b. Srong Defence; What’s our best weapons against Covid19; Wear masks, and keep your distance.

    However, if a majority aren’t willing to adhere to said conservative beliefs, then lockdowns have to be imposed like “Children Time Out”, thus, due to repulsive children.
     
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    Some day you might understand, but today you don't.

    Herd immunity is not the option of any human.

    Herd immunity is a natural reaction and process of any herd encountering a virus.

    The Swedes recognized that fact, but the US leaders have portrayed it as some sort of public policy option, and the gullible Americans have once again believed every word uttered by their political "leaders". People are funny....
     
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    Obviously he didn't mean we could "choose" it or "not choose it". He meant DEPENDING on it and working for it by banning masks like Trump wants is a dangerous option.
     
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    The Swedes killed thousands... unnecessarily
     
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    The virus exists outside of droplets... the virus is not forever entrapped in droplets... droplets evaporate... the virus exists in the air for hours (many hours in prime conditions)
     
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    Yes, many people are claiming just that, actually... Anyone who claims "your mask protects me and my mask protects you" is claiming just that...
     
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    No you aren't... it's an airborne virus, genius... all it takes is one virus for you to potentially become infected... wearing a mask does nothing to stop viruses.
     
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    Because you have a functioning immune system, genius...
     
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    There goes one now. Squash it!
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    I took it down due to this site's strict rule on sigs, but here are the relevant links...

    covid deaths debunked

    masks help debunked
     
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    Then it should be easy for you to show me. Because I have shown you several tests that show it isn't true.
    So I guess you can't.
     
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    Now we know where you get your scientific information. A political forum. :roflol:
     

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