Trump is considering Pardon for Edward Snowden!

I have looked in this sub forum here and also in Current Events and no Thread existing about until now!

Source (Example):

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-new...-considering-pardon-for-leaker-edward-snowden

I don't think I need to explain who Edward Snowden is and what Edaward Snowden was about etc ... I think everyone here knows!

I don't think the idea of Trump is bad ... it also happens that I think something is OK with Trump, albeit very rarely ... but I know that most of the Americans come from his constituency, whom Edward Snowden prefers to stay with for life Want to see prison, if not ask for the death penalty.

I'm curious to see how his voters react to this matter now ... but I suspect that, as always, they make a 180 ° turn with the opinion and suddenly find it OK when Trump thinks it is OK! Hypocrisy as always with the red MAGA caps ...

 

Exposing the crimes of government is always the right thing to do, it is a civic obligation, citizenship in action.

Snowden and other whistleblowers do us all a favor in showing the lies and deceptions of government. In an honest world, they deserve commendations.

Trump is a moral midget and likely just delivering lip service before an election he will likely lose.

If he goes through with the pardon he will have won begrudging respect from me. If he includes Julian Assange in such just actions, I may vote for him.

 

But let's just discuss the US's spying programs. Let's say diddly about Chinese or Russian programs, and then immediately flee to one and eventually wind up living in the other. Oh, let's also expose a few ambassador and other sensitive conversations that are embarrassing or politically damaging to the US and have nothing to do with privacy or human rights

Yeah sure, he did it for all of us...

 

The problem with pardoning Snowden is that some people in intelligence agencies want him dead. And that means Edward Snowden will die once he leaves the protection of Russia and returns to the USA. The pardon doesn't matter.

 

I just searched "Edward Snowden" on this forum and it will be fun when his supporters start to back track on their previous outrage if Trump goes ahead with the pardon.

 

Yeah, they'll either think it's OK or say it's not a big enough deal to quit Dear Leader over. When you're devoted to a certain person or party like that, you'll rationalize it any way you have to. You won't change your mind and your vote based on anything that isn't very, very serious, and pardoning Snowden wouldn't be a big deal to most Americans.

At the same time, it would be another propaganda win for Putin, of course, and another way for him and Trump to be on the same team united against Democrats, since Snowden did his thing during Obama's presidency. They would just say it's all his fault and Snowden was pointing out abuses by his administration, and that lie would resonate well enough with the faithful, who will happily blame Obama and Democrats for anything and everything regardless. Facts of little concern to them when it comes to politics.

 

I read something interesting on RT today. It was about a reporter for Infowars, who made a documentary about the shadow government, and the police came and arrested her for robbery. I didn't delve into it to find out the exact facts, but the robbery was probably the information she revealed in the documentary. I think they're harassing her to find out who her government sources are.

 

Trump needs to pardon Assange.

But this would be good too.

 

As I said, I think Edward Snowden's act at the time was OK and it was important because he exposed clear crimes and violations of the NSA against American law ... in addition to evil things that the NSA is listening to close allies such as enemies (woe if somebody does it the other way around with the USA!) ... in short he has made all the illegal activities of the NSA and the US secret services public under US law ... and nothing and no one is above the law, not even the almighty NSA !

Personally, I am not so clear about the Julian Assange mentioned here. As for his "deeds" with regard to Wikileaks, they were also important to destroy the idiotic fairy tale world and to show real truths. However, I am not so amused with the person Assange, because he is no saint as a person and an ice-cold power man and narcissist. The alleged rape he was / is accused of is not so unlikely ...

Anyway ... I can still very well remember the shitstorm of the righties here in this forum and in the USA in general, who would have loved to see Edward Snowden on the electric chair. Traitor, he harmed the USA, endangered US security etc. u was the tenor at the time ... it doesn't matter that he disclosed that the NSA acted seriously criminal under US law and that the NSA should be in the dock, was for these people irrelevant.
As I said, I'm curious to see how these people, who would like to see Snowden hanging on the next tree ... and are voters of Trump ... react to this announcement by Trump.
It would be logical that they attack Trump for this, but what is actually still logical with supporters of Trump?

 

To me the difference between Assange and Snowden is that Assange indiscriminately disclosed secret US information that even included names of people embedded in very dangerous places and some of these people were of course killed. I believe Snowden was more more discrete. I could be wrong.

In any case I wonder if Snowden would even want to come back or if the Russians would let him go.

 

This accusation against Assange regarding he endangered the lives of US citizens and some were killed because of it is known ... however, no evidence has been given in this regard to this day.
On the other hand, he has clearly exposed crimes and war crimes of the USA with his disclosure and thus destroyed this fairy tale of the infallible and rarely to never evil doing USA (even if many continue to fall into this misconception).

With Snowden is the betrayal of secrets that he is accused of. Of course he has signed a confidentiality agreement, but does it still apply if it is used to conceal crimes against US laws?
As I said ... especially from the right wing camp in the USA, they wanted to lock Snowden for life and throw away the key ... or even give them the death penalty. I'm curious how these righties, who were and are the voters of Trump, will react to Trump's announcement.

 

I am all for exposing state secrets if they disclose illegal state activity. Obviously espionage of foreign powers or even tribal enemies does not fit in that category.
It appears to me that Assange disclosed merely for the sake of exposure.

 

This thread is strangely lacking posts from trump supporters who previously attacked the traitor commie Snowden

 

No, he did it for himself first. He recognized widespread criminality in his area of employment, considered his options for many long months, knowing that he had to do SOMETHING to expose the crimes.

Essentially that was what Daniel Ellsberg and Bradley Manning and Frank Serpico went through.

He found it was his only choice, and instead of spending the rest of his life in a US prison he decided to apply for asylum in Russia. A very smart move.

 

omg i hate edward snowden now wtf -- the left

 

Hatred will get you far in life, especially in the US. Perhaps in Deutschland auch.

 

It would be greatest news, if true.
Trump will win again.

 

They asked if he is planning to pardon Snowden. He said no.

 

I think it is legally accurate to note that Snowden has been convicted of nothing. Therefore he cannot be pardoned.

 

It is a conviction that would be pardoned, not the reason behind it.

 

As long as he is in Russia, there can be no trial.

I presume that there is no actual indictment yet.

 

I believe so. But pardons affect convictions, not bad press.

 

I am a Trump fan, and I approve of pardoning Edward Snowden.

Give him a medal while he's at it.

 

Maybe they are too shocked about and don't yet know how to react on it?

But you know that the traitors are those responsible people which were exposed by Snowden to be nothing else as lousy stinky criminals who belong to prison?

 

Makes sense until you really dig into what was released. I remember reading files that had nothing to do with our rights and apparently released with everything else with the sole purpose of negatively impacting US policy.