Trump is the President of death

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  1. freakonature

    freakonature Well-Known Member

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    This is clearly exhibited by his stance on reducing regulations that put small business at a disadvantage or his tax policy proposal that gave small businesses corporate tax rate availability. Get your **** straight.
     
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    Lmfao your link is funny, remind us who signed it into law?


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    Yes, you are akin to Stephen King in your mastery of fiction.
     
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    Lol, this is a completely unattainable number. The only numbers presented will be based off of unsupported assumptions.
     
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    I suspect that those whose lives have been saved might not agree with your posting.
     
  6. Sandy Shanks

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    You can keep insisting that black is white. I don't care.

    You are overlooking the obvious. Considering the Senate, never mind the reconciliation process -- which is being ignored in all this -- and the House versions, passage of any kind of a bill is far off. There will be no bill signed by Trump that either repeals the ACA or repeals and replaces the ACA. That is months off, most likely sometime in 2018, if ever.

    That means his decree on Tuesday -- let Obamacare fail -- is in effect between now and whenever Congress does something about healthcare.

    "Well the Fed shouldn't be wasting money on advertising or outreach on a program that is failing." I know that is how you and Trump feel. Just let people die.

    That is what I have been saying all along.

    Of course, if Trump and the Republican Congress got behind the ACA and provided healthcare for millions of Americans instead of trying to destroy it, the ACA might work until Congress passes a replacement.

    But that won't happen because Trump prefers people to die. He wants to save the money, and the last thing he wants is to see the ACA actually work. He is killing Americans for a political purpose.
     
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    He's rolling back regulations to help the big guys (aka donors), whatever the small business benefits they are incidental. And do you mean this tax plan?

    https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/trump-tax-reform.pdf

    I'm sure those four pages cover everything we need to know. It's just a proposal and it's not going anywhere. H&R Block, Jackson Hewitt, Intuit, and CPAs everywhere will unite to block such tax code simplification. Not hard to block change with this Congress, either - the GOP is so obstructionist they're getting in their own way!
     
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    I suspect determining if Obamacare benefited someone or not healthwise is a difficult task. Determining society's net health benefit from ACA is impossible. Anyone espousing numbers is a biased source manipulating stats.
     
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    Regulations are written by big corps.
    So, Congress will pass regulation that hurts big business, but not taxes. Interesting corner you've painted yourself into.

    Additionally, the point was Trump isn't against small business which doesn't pertain to Congress sellouts.
     
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    I just have one question, why are the left so sick? What is wrong with you?


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    I have one question. In detail, explain what is wrong with the post that caused you so much angst.

    Typical Trump fan, nothing intelligent in the reply. Just a personal insult, and it is really insulting. The left had nothing to do with the post.

    So, in addition to your other faults, you couldn't get your story straight. You are assuming wrongly that all criticism of Trump comes from the left. That is false.
     
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    It's not an insult , I am really concerned about the sickness and health crisis of the left... what is wrong with you all? Is it in your liberal genes ?


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    Congress doesn't make the regulations, Congress makes law empowering the Executive branch with the authority to enforce that law - often by regulations. If you actually read up on this stuff you'd find that Trump has only been able to pull back some regulations, but many others are required by law. He has the discretion to pull back on whichever ones help his buddies (or his personal business, of course).

    And my point is that small businesses are counting on a proposed tax plan that will never see the light of day. Trump couldn't even get health care passed and Republicans have been promising to do that for seven years!
     
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    Trump has been in office for six months. During that time, he has used every tool available to him to weaken the ACA. For six months he has told the American people and insurers that Obamacare is failing. This has created uncertainly in the market. Insurers are pulling out, and sharply raising rates as a result. More and more, only the sick are buying health insurance, causing what is called the death spiral in health insurance. That causes more insurers to leave the market.

    So, as insurers pull out and there is no healthcare in certain areas, as rates go sky high and those who should have health insurance but don't, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that a political decision can cost lives.

    In the meantime, Trump and Republicans who have complete control of the federal government do nothing. Judging from his recent interview with the Times, Trump is more concerned about Jeff Sessions, Rod Rosenstein, James Comey, Robert Mueller, the five investigations into his behavior, and the Russians than he is about healthcare. Put a different way, under the circumstances, Trump doesn't give a sh*t about healthcare.
     
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    You even screwed up the quote. "additir???":roflol::roll:
     
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    Because we don't understand how iits a crisis?



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    You haven't been listening. That isn't happening anytime soon. That is the whole point of this discussion. Next week, McConnnell may not even get enough votes to start a debate about a bill, let alone passing a bill. Republicans working with Democrats on a healthcare bill? You are joking. Democrats are willing, but if you had been listening, Republicans don't want to work with Democrats, neither does Trump. They hold Republicans Only meetings.

    But, then, you didn't know that.

    In short, you are living in fantasyland. You want all this to go away so people will stop dying because of Trump's decision. Well, that isn't happening, either.
     
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    Should I take the word of a self described conservative or do i believe my own eyes. I read what he says daily. I believe my eyes.
     
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    The ACA only works for about 6 percent of Americans. It is of little benefit unless you are totally broke. To those paying insurance premiums up the wazoo, thank Obama for delivering you a high cost health system. Obama took 800 million dollars from social services to hand to a few of the public. He taxed the hell out of even the poor.
     
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    WASHINGTON — Senate Republicans are scrambling to reach consensus on a way to move forward with health care reform as they begin a critical weekend. A vote is expected to take place next Tuesday, but senators don't yet know whether they will be voting on a straight repeal of Obamacare, a repeal with a replacement bill or perhaps something else.


    And as senators left the Capitol Thursday, Republicans appeared no closer to the 50 votes they would need to be successful in any scenario.


    Failure to find enough support for a health care replacement plan delayed a vote on the bill that was planned for earlier in the week, but a renewed push to find a compromise is underway at the urging of President Donald Trump.

    So far, that push has continued to run into familiar roadblocks, with moderates and conservatives unable to come to an agreement that satisfies both factions.


    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...e-gop-ahead-expected-health-care-vote-n785066
     
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    Is there any intelligent life among Trump supporters? Maybe I should type slower.
     
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    No one gets out alive. Whether they have soeterodontgiveafuck or not.
     
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    LOL "Let Obamacare fail" isn't a decision he made. If it fails it is because of a decision in 2010 by Obama and 219 house democrats, 58 Senate democrats and 2 senate independents.
     
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    :roflol:Is there any intelligent life among Trump supporters? :roll:
     

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