Trump knew about Russia all along!

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  1. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Turns out that Trump WAS given the Presidential version of the IC report BEFORE the inauguration.

    What I can't quite understand is the cognitive dissonance of trump supporters who accept his every changing stories. He has repeatedly DENIED russian interference all the while KNOWING that the "russia thing" was actually very real and very dangerous to America.
    The evidence is before you.

    Looks like doublethink is in vogue in trumpland. Perhaps Orwell merely missed it by 40 years.

    How does a trump supporter reconcile this:




    [​IMG]Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
    Intelligence agencies should never have allowed this fake news to "leak" into the public. One last shot at me.Are we living in Nazi Germany?

    4:48 AM - 11 Jan 2017

    [​IMG]Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
    With Spies, or “Informants” as the Democrats like to call them because it sounds less sinister (but it’s not), all over my campaign, even from a very early date, why didn’t the crooked highest levels of the FBI or “Justice” contact me to tell me of the phony Russia problem?

    12:28 PM - 26 May 2018
     
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    I think Trump knows he is gonna lose in 2020, and wants Russia's help again

    would not shock me if Trump tries to stop the 2020 election saying Putin is trying to influence it, so he has to remain President, and a dictator is born, lucky for us he is an old man
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hey, nobody said he was perfect? [​IMG] :roflol:
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    well no sane person anyways
     
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    The best thing is obama is not president anymore and Hillary lost. That is a win/win for America.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why didn't Obama do anything because he was actually the president at the time, Trump wasn't.

    Trump had no authority to do anything so it seems you should be asking why Obama sat on this information.

    What a disgrace he was, sounds like collusion to me.
     
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    Exactly how does that address the matter of Don being told Putin was behind Russia's multi-faceted attempt to get him elected before he was sworn in..........and then proceeding to deny it happened?
     
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    Since Vietnam and the Iraq War and former CIA Director lying about spying on the Senate Inel Committee Trump like many Americans have lost trust in the Intelligence agencies. Hasn't the left accused the CIA of starting wars to benefit the MIC?
     
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    Can anyone explain how Russia helped Trump win?
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Okay that's funny.
     
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    Obama did do something, it's the only reason anything is being done, you think Trump set the FBI on the course to investigate Russia, lol
     
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    Some Facebook posts=) C'mon EVERYONE changes their opinion after seeing troll posts on Facebook. Its not like Russia controlled nightly and morning news shows and blasted anti-Trump rhetoric 24-7 or released lost video of Trump talking rudely in private. hehe We couldn't even get a transcript of Bill threatening the then current AG on a tarmac the day before his wife was supposed to be arrested=)
     
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    fake propaganda on things like facebook, hacking the DNC, mainly Comey had the biggest impact though, but Russia definitely had their fingers in the game

    that and of course Trump sucking so bad many dems did not thinking he stood a chance and not bothering to get out and vote, they will not make that mistake in 2020

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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, I believe the Department of Justice and the russian indictments can explain much of the process.

    As to why it was effective you'll need some prerequisite knowledge.


    Are you familiar with how us humans process information and what how and why they accept/retain some things and not others?
    Do you understand the techniques to elicit both conscious subconscious emotional responses in messaging and why they are effective.
    Do you understand exactly what confirmation bias is and how to either "harden or soften" it ?
    Do you understand what big data is?
    Do you understand demographic targeting based on discrete profiles of various kinds of groups/subgroups of individuals?

    The science and psychology of 'marketing communications" is probably the best source of background knowledge to comprehend the underlying principles and why they work.

    Now if you want to know about what actually happened this place is a great place to find out, although it IS strongly biased and will no doubt turn the stomachs of hard core trumpians and piss off his allies.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Keep_Track/
     
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    it was targeted fake political ads and the hacking.... Trump asking Russia to find Clinton's emails did not help his defense, nor his son's meeting with Russians at Trump tower and then lying about it
     
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    Sure it didn't help, but you can't impeach someone for any of it. And those fake ads still didn't compare in the slightest to the non stop barrage of anti Trump crap the MSM was spewing and what I saw on Facebook. The Russians didn't do their jobs very well because I barely saw anything that was pro-Trump and anything that was anti-HIllary was obviously exaggerated fakery. And he publicly as a JOKE told Russia to go hack people. Anyone who thought that was serious has a low IQ. Its like saying, "I'm going to kill my kid, if he comes home late." If you really think I want to murder my son for missing his curfew, you're literally crazy. "If StarWars is terrible, I'm going to kill myself..." I don't think if I read that, I'd think boy that person better go see a shrink. I KNOW its a fan just being sarcastic.

    I think people just weren't prepared for a normal person as a POTUS instead of the usual political hack, with every sentence prescripted. But it is what it is. Might as well strap in.
     
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    You think a narcissistic sociopath, a Wharton grad and a billionaire, is a normal person? Guess his "I'm just a guy" act works.

    AS to your anecdotal experience, I guess that's all anyone needs to understand that the Russians had no effect on the election.

    Guess they didn't need to hack the DNC or any other of the crap they did. Seems they were wasting their time because "I saw everyone dumping on trump". You should get on the blower to Vladdie and tell him he's wasting his time and money.
     
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    Can any Returdlicker explain to me Dirty Donalds disdain for what appears to be ALL OF OUR ALLIES, and his total butt love of Vlad the Bad???And his apparently 30 or more year love affair with Russians,from his former partner convicted felon Felix Sater to the construction company he used to build his New York properties,to the inhabitants of most of his condos in N.Y and Florida,mostly Russians.
     
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    Well, even the boys in intel and the DOJ have not made that claim, just that russia, as always, and as we do, meddled in an election, by using social media, and by "possibly" been the source for wilkileaks even if murray and assange denied it, and said the source was not russia. But a leaker, within the DP. Or DNC.

    The truth of who the source was for wilkileaks, that showed americans what the DNC was doing to help beat sanders, has not been settled by hard evidence, but by accessments of some of intel, which BTW, the report from intel gave the caveat that this assessment was not based upon facts nor certainty, but judgment and opinion.

    I am sure this caveat was seen by trump in that report, or he was informed of it at some point. And not being a pro politician he had seen over the years the misinfo and even lies coming from american intel, and did not develop amnesia in regards to that fact. Having a thinking president is not a bad thing, unless you hate him.
     
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    Given you called them Returdlickers, it is self evident you would not pay any attention to what his voters would say, given you insulted them from the get go.

    So why indulge you, in your imagination...and what an imagination some of you fellers exhibit here, daily. I think given you called them returdlickers, this is trolling as it breaks other forum rules. I don't report others though, for sometimes their words indict them well enough. ha ha
     
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    And no one but him said he was smart!....LOL.......what a loser
     
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    And what did Obama do?

    We certainly never heard of it until after the election, why is that?
     
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    Mombo jumbo. You're saying Hillary's people and the MSM didn't use the same tactics to help Hillary? You're saying the Russians out campaigned Hillary? Can you explain how Trump beat out 16 other well-known republicans? To deny that Trump plain and simple out campaigned the republicans and Hillary by offering the good people of this country what they wanted is to ignore what took place. The Russians may have wanted Trump but you can bet your socks they didn't get him elected. Trump gets all the credit for winning.
     
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    The democrats suck at cyber security. Whose fault is that?
     

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