Trump lies to cover the original lie, the White House tapes

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  1. Drago

    Drago Well-Known Member

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    If you read the original tweet, he never said he had the tapes nor did he say he made them. He said you better hope there are not any. It's that simple
     
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    Though he has every reson to believe that he is...
     
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    Entertaining screed, but I did not see any lies.......
     
  4. Sandy Shanks

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    He lied about the possibility of the tapes. He knew there were no tapes. So, when he tweeted, "James Comey better hope that there are no "tapes" of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press!" that was a lie, plain and simple.

    It is getting so bad, Trump fans don't even know a lie when they see one from Trump. Maybe that's because he lies so much, they think lying is the new normal. I don't know.

    But if one knows something is true, and one suggests the opposite might be true, that is a lie.
     
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    I wish to repeat this in all sincerity. I was wrong. I misinterpreted your intentions, and I sincerely apologize.
     
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    Only in your head.
     
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    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He lied about the possibility?

    Just how desperate do you have to be to claim that?
     
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    I appreciate that and for what it is worth, I respect the apology as such a thing is a rarity here on the forums. My hat is off to you.
     
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    Oh don't worry, they got more... unbelievable .
     
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  10. Sandy Shanks

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    Right, we are in agreement. He has no idea what is going on in the White House. Conversations in the Oval Office may be taped, but he doesn't know.

    That sounds about right.

    Quit trying to fool yourself, and that is all you are doing. There are no tapes, period. Not even Trump is that stupid. But for argument's sake, I will say I agree with you and move on.
     
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    Well, I meant it. I read more of your posts and realized I thoroughly made a fool of myself.
     
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    The complete statement reads, "He lied about the possibility of the tapes. He knew there were no tapes. So, when he tweeted, "James Comey better hope that there are no "tapes" of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press!" that was a lie, plain and simple." He didn't fool Comey who felt emboldened by the possibility of tapes, according to his testimony before the Senate. The lie was meant to fool the American people.

    You seem to think that is perfectly okay. Am I right?

    Now explain how that is a statement of desperation. You can't recognize a lie when you see one?
     
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    I appreciate your humility. If I were to try to quantify how many times I have made a fool of myself here on the forums, well let's just say that the number would be embarrassingly high! But such humiliation has led me to be a much more cautious and objective debater in an effort to avoid future humiliation... a work in progress...
     
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    I think you are really reaching with that explanation. Trump didn't even know Obama was surveiling him. He is within logic to assume there are WH secret recordings.
     
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    Thinks only you ... and all the other blinded Trump fans maybe
     
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    yeah right information is leaked about two conversations with world leaders the very next day by our side and you think no ones listening in
     
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    The Trump supporters do not really believe in his leadership. Actually, before the election there was no tangible evidence available to give positive smell to his personality, there only was negative circumstantial evidence. But the economically lower classes are tired of Washington's entrenched way of doing business, which is oblivious to the pain of the downtrodden. Trump said the right words. Shallow minds equate the "different" with the "great". This is evidenced by the young generation exhibiting flagrant flares in their behavior so frequently.

    Well, the uneducated poor attached their dream of recapturing theirs, and America's affluent and glorious past with Trump presidency. They are still clinging to their hopes against hope, ignoring all the drama of lies and deceit unfolding right in front of our eyes. The harder we resist the reality, the harder our fall will be. Higher the dam, when it breaks, larger the flood there is. Now, as to whether the dam will break or not: the size of Trump's ego will not let him bend; the end will inevitably be that he will the break. And near the end, when they realize that the remedy they chose has actually magnified their problem, his supporters will turn on him like betrayed lovers. The French revolution leader Robespierre was guillotined and Mussolini was stoned to death by the public in the end. Our culture and political system will not let things go that far, but his ego and his prestige, even in the financial circles, will sure be slashed.
     
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    You have a curious way of defending Trump. You are using Trump's total ignorance. Trump doesn't know if there are tapes in the White House. Trump didn't know Obama did not have him surveilled.

    I appreciate the assistance. I have always maintained what Trump doesn't know is breathtaking.
     
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    Why is it curious? Trump didn't say he HAD 'tapes' he said Comey better HOPE there weren't 'tapes.' You guys are simply looking for what is not there in your apparent total dedication to finding SOMETHING, ANYTHING on Trump.

    If you found out someone had surveilled you without your knowledge wouldn't you suspect your home was bugged? IMO it's breathtaking just how much subterfuge the Clintons and Obama are glaring guilty of.
     
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    I don't recall him ever saying he taped their conversation, I only remember him tweeting something about how Comey "better hope there are no tapes" of their conversation.

    Where and when did he ever claim to have personally recorded their conversation?
     
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    Total garbage and smugness. You have no friggin idea what Trump supporters think. Your alluding to the guillotining and stoning of certain past leaders as pertaining to Trump is loony and full of hatred.
     
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    Somebody told Trump he made a complete fool of himself. Incredulously, he first tweeted, "Obama Administration official said they "choked" when it came to acting on Russian meddling of election. They didn't want to hurt Hillary?"

    Let's see if I have this right. The CIA captured Putin’s specific instructions on the operation’s audacious objectives — defeat or at least damage the Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton, and help elect her opponent, Donald Trump.

    According to Trump's strange reasoning, since Obama did not attempt to stop Russia from damaging Clinton's campaign that somehow helped Clinton? That's weird, really weird.

    Trump changed that today. As usual, he made things worse for himself. Now he tweets, "The reason that President Obama did NOTHING about Russia after being notified by the CIA of meddling is that he expected Clinton would win ... and did not want to 'rock the boat.' He didn't 'choke,' he colluded or obstructed, and it did the Dems and Crooked Hillary no good."

    In another tweet, he said in part, "I should be given apology!" Oh, boy, is he losing it?

    Forgetting for the moment that Trump encouraged the Russians during the election, forgetting for the moment that had Obama done something and informed American voters beginning in August that the Russians were interfering in our elections and wanted Trump in the Oval Office, forgetting for the moment that would have ended Trump's Presidential bid, forgetting all that, who does Trump blame for the Russian interference? He blames the former President.

    As President, Trump has yet to condemn Russia for attacking our form of government. Instead, he blames Obama. As President, in five months he still has not taken any punitive measures against Russia for interfering in our election. As President, he has not taken any measures specifically aimed at Russia to prevent her from interfering in our 2018 and 2020 elections.


    The idea that he is throwing up a series of red herrings to change the narrative about his collusion with the Russians is foolishly transparent, infantile, moronic, counter-productive (indicating guilt), and useless. A reasonable person would laugh if it were not so tragic. He is our President, for crying out loud.

    Therein lies the tragedy.
     
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    I have dealt with this question several times on this thread. Read.
     
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    Well, we all know Trump supporters voted for him because they wanted him to totally disrupt the government in Washington, "drain the swamp," so to speak.

    By making a complete fool of himself on a daily basis, his constant lying, his constant exaggeration of his mindless contributions, by bogging down the White House and Congress with controversies he exacerbates and creates, he is doing a fine job according to his fans.

    Which is why his adoring fans continue to cheer him on. He is doing exactly what they sent him to Washington to do. Throw in the fact that he is doing exactly what Putin wants him to do, making enemies of our friends in the EU and NATO, dropping out of the Paris Accord and uniting us with Syria and Nicaragua, and you have perfection as far as his supporters are concerned. That's why they stick by him.

    They can't defend him, but, then, they don't have to.

    Sound about right to you?
     
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    I might be able to respond if I knew what you are talking about. Do you know what you are talking about? If so, why don't you let us in on it?

    Hint: Sometimes, most of the time, there are others in the room beside the world leaders.
     

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