Trump loses appeal to stop House subpoena of his tax documents

No, I hated tax law and I wouldn't trust myself to review a complex tax return.

I am perfectly comfortable with allowing elected officials to employ relevant experts and make those determinations themselves.

 

The agency assigned to that task is the IRS, not relevant experts employed by partisan elected officials with a partisan agenda.

 

When you gettin that judge?
Never

 

Nice dodge. There is no law saying Trump was obligated to release his tax returns, simply a precedent that many in the recent past had done so. Yet you say that due to such precedent, he should have done so......but you let the Congressional Dems off the hook under the same type of circumstances....i.e. impeachment procedures precedent. Trying to have your cake and eat it too.

 

Are you enjoying all these people lining up to testify despite orders from the White House to not cooperate?

 

Several points here.

1) The IRS does not give two shits about conflicts of interest.
2) The IRS has recently discussed the difficulty associated with auditing the complex returns of the very rich, so that is why they focus on auditing poorer individuals.
3) We have multiple reports of a whistleblower from the IRS that there were attempts to interfere in the audit of Trump's tax returns.

 

Oh I see. You were taunting Democrats to launch an impeachment vote on tax grounds (understandable, given the topic of the thread). I have been dealing with multiple people thinking that a taunt the Democrats on impeachment is a good idea and figured you were referencing the ongoing impeachment inquiry. My bad.

No, there is no push to impeach trump simply because he broke his promise to release his tax returns, as every previous Presidential nominee has done. As you say, it is not a violation of the law and he won the Presidency with full knowledge amongst the electorate that he was never going to follow through on his own promise.

And I frankly just do not see much merit to the "impeachment precedent" argument - at least in regards to how Democrats should handle the current impeachment proceeding. It is a political process and Democrats should pursue the strategy that best serves them and the country.

 

Because the unintended consequence is the same as the intended; financial transparency of the individual who wants to take the top spot (and all the power that comes with it)

Says you.

 

No, I responded to YOUR post (see post 45) in which YOU stated:
"Which is a neat argument until you remember that every presidential candidate since Nixon voluntarily released their tax returns.
But yea, you keep pretending that Democrats are scared of the potential ramifications going forward."
And I said:
Well, then, the Democrats should immediately hold a VOTE to begin an impeachment inquiry. After all, it's been done that way since Nixon!

I never argued there was any push to impeachment re: him not releasing his tax returns; I was pointing out that if one believes that Trump should release his tax returns (for any reason) due to candidate and Presidential precedent even when no law requires it, then one should also believe the Democrats should follow impeachment precedent even though no law requires it.

As far as the Dems and their impeachment inquiry, they're not fooling anyone. Some of them wanted to impeach Trump before he'd even taken the oath of office and done anything. I agree with you that for the Dems, impeachment is a political process. They may feel it "best serves them", but it sure doesn't best serve the country. I'm not convinced by anything uncovered so far, and the Ukrainian President denies that what the Dems are alleging occurred. End of story, IMO. Even if I were convinced it happened, I just can't get excited over it, and I'd say the same whether it's a REP or a DEM. Anyone who believes that both sides don't engage in these types of shenanigans (pressuring other nations, hiding things from Congress, digging up dirt on opponents) both here and abroad, is incredibly naive and doesn't know their U.S. history....heck, Lyndon Johnson would have been impeached 50X! Talk about an arm twister! How about Roosevelt and Lend/Lease?? I am MORE bothered by family members and associates of politicians, or former politicians themselves, cozying up to foreign interests and raking in $$ by serving on foreign company boards, facilitating investments and taking a cut, etc. You KNOW they aren't getting something for nothing! Heck, I'm bothered by it happening here in the US too.....happens nationally and locally all over the place. Often not necessarily illegal, but smells bad. I am REALLY bothered that a US President apparently can't have a private conversation with leaders of other nations anymore without worrying that someone who works in gov't but pulls for the opposition is going to leak it.

 

Amend the constitution. Change the financial disclosure forms already submitted. Again what is in the tax return that is not already the financial disclosure form that is so vital it needs to be released?

 

You are on a political debate forum.

Go somewhere else if you dont want to consider political ramifications and justifications.

 

Trump is not going anywhere. If you listed to the liberal media you would see them telling you over and over again that Trump had a horrible week. Except this doesn't line up with reality. Ever. And Trump is not going to quit. He will NOT stop fighting for the American people.

 

Wow you are not real knowledgeable about the IRS and their special branches! You really think a person like Trump would not task the IRS best SPECIALIST to comb thru his returns? He has been rumored in the news forever about his "SO CALLED" shady business practices and you are going to believe that when giving the MULTITUDE of opportunity that the IRS simply blew his returns off because they were to complicated.

You do realize the comedic and absurdity in that being the scenario, right

 

Don't worry, Schiffy can understand them

 

Wrong

https://www.taxdebthelp.com/tax-problems/tax-audit/irs-audit-statistics

 

I'm not a tax expert so I don't know, nor really care if anything bad is actually in it. My issue is the fact that he is hiding it for no apparent reason (which then breeds speculation that something nefarious is in it).

And why should a constitutional amendment be required to force the POTUS to do something that has been a part of the Presidency prior? What happened to the respect for the institution? Or are you suggesting that every single aspect require legislation?

 

Trump has shown a singular truth to a number of foreign allies, like the Kurds, and former associates, like Michael Bolton: He will betray you.

Do not think for one second that your view of reality will stop that.

 

I believe every POTUS should release their taxes to the public, I also understand it is not mandatory by law, but regardless, I prefer to have every POTUS financial records exposed for conflict of interest.

 

Correct.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/irs-audits-poor-taxpayers-easier

 

Wrong those are the IRS numbers they aren't "focused" on the poor and SPECIFIC EITC verifications have to do with

"The Treasury Department has released its latest report on the fight against widespread fraud in the Earned Income Tax Credit program. The problem is, fraud is still winning. And there's not even much of a fight.


"The Internal Revenue Service continues to make little progress in reducing improper payments of Earned Income Tax Credits," a press release from Treasury's inspector general for Tax Administration says. "The IRS estimates that 22 to 26 percent of EITC payments were issued improperly in Fiscal Year 2013. The dollar value of these improper payments was estimated to be between $13.3 billion and $15.6 billion."
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...l-rampant-in-earned-income-tax-credit-program

If you are in the highest income bracket the chances of you being audited is exponentially higher than if you are poor.

 

And that's a contradiction! If you really don't care then all the audits the IRS has done on him and the fact that their findings have been little and nothing more then some fines here and there, that should be good enough for someone that doesn't really care What other Presidents can you name that have been audited in private life and as President as much as Trump has

 

Don't care. If you want to be POTUS, your an open book. If you want the responsibility of the office, then you should accept the highest degree of scrutiny and transparency. Simple as that.

 

Because until that time NO president OR American is required to do so! Tax returns are private matter, your, mine and even President.. Try and keep in mind "Trump" is not sheep and doesn't follow sheep trails..

To be perfectly honest, I cant even tell you what every President before Trumps tax returns contained, it never really even sparked my attention.. I guess in short, I don't care what the other person makes, even a President! Unless he is has been federally charged by the IRS sometime before his nomination, they don't mean shiiieeeet to me

 

Nope, the IRS findings is all you need to know.

 

1) Irrelevant and conjecture on your part.
2) A good reason for the tax code to be simplified, not a reason to audit the poor at a higher rate, nor do they.
3) Anonymous hearsay from a political hack, the last thing the IRS should ever base an audit upon.