Trump manages to anger another major ally

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  1. JakeJ

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    Of course Japan should not be exempt. It was Japan - with no coal and no iron ore - who joined forces with American liberals to destroy the American steel industry in the first place.

    Exactly how is Japan "an ally." In what way?
     
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    Lose government employees with the various welfare departments, law enforcement and prison personnel.

    The Democratic Party's view is the best way to increase employment is to create as much private sector unemployment as possible. This creates jobs with welfare departments and increases crimes, which in turn creates a need for still more police, a bigger legal system, more prisons and other government jobs.

    Plus, remember, Nancy Pelosi explained the more people who are unemployed, the better off the US economy is because every $1 in welfare created $4 in the economy. If EVERYONE one in the private sector were unemployed, the country would gain trillions of dollars. Thus, ideally, 75% of the population would be unemployed and on welfare - generating trillions of dollars for the 25% who work for the government.
     
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    Congrats. You get every single thing in that diatribe either wrong or completely backwards
     
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    Oh?

    The number of Crimean residents who consider Ukraine their motherland increased sharply from 32% to 71.3% from 2008 through 2011; according to a poll by Razumkov Center in March 2011

    Do you get your information DIRECTLY from the Kremlin?
     
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    Pelosi did not say those things ??
     
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    On the tariffs issue there did not seem to be much progress.

    Trump has vowed to slap tariffs of 25 percent on imports of steel and 10 percent on aluminum on our EU trading partners. The 28-nation European Union, of which France is a part, has a temporary waiver from the tariffs.

    But that could change next week. The Trump administration set a May 1 deadline for decisions on exemptions if a new agreement isn’t reached to either permanently exclude the EU or provide more time to reach a deal that would stop the tariffs.

    During his speech to Congress, Macron said that facing challenges in a growing global economy “requires the opposite of massive deregulation and extreme nationalism.”

    “A commercial war is not consistent with our mission, with our history with our current commitments for global security,” Macron told lawmakers on Capitol Hill. He added, “At the end of the day it will destroy jobs, increase prices and the middle class will have to pay for it.”

    Trump, who seems to have an opinion on just about everything, had no comment to Macron's revelations except to say, “I’m not going to say what I’ll do, even if you have an inkling."

    The moronic response was typical Trump. He cannot even defend his own policies.
     
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    Big surprise, you can't defend your hero. This happens all the time with Trump's fans.

    I just don't get it. If they can't defend Trump's policies, why do they support Trump?

    There is one possible answer. They voted for him because they knew he was an idiot. They voted for him because the wanted chaos and upheaval in our federal government. They voted for him because they wanted Trump to make a mess of both our domestic issues and our foreign issues. They voted for him because they want Trump to isolate and thereby weaken the United States.

    If that is the case, Trump's supporters don't have to defend him. Trump is doing exactly what they want him to do.

    That's it, isn't it? That answers my question.
     
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    :roflol: :rolleyes: o_O Jeez! Do you vote?
     
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    Hmmmm like Pine Gap? See he has managed even to Piss off Aus and we have been long lime friends
     
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    Big surprise - I consider it to be a waste of time to respond to TDS drivel.
     
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    Do you support Nancy Pelosi ??
     
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    That’s absurd.
     
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    For decades Japan has been a vital trading partner.

    Three out of every four Japanese cars and trucks sold in the U.S. are built in North America.

    While American auto manufacturers have moved more plants abroad, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Mitsubishi and other Japanese automakers have collectively invested $35.4 billion in U.S. manufacturing plants since the 80s.

    Japan is valuable ally in East Asia. She provides a check on China's ambitions. She also helps us check North Korean ambitions.

    Trump wants to destroy all that and drive Japan into China's arms economically. Trump is also bent on destroying the trade relations with the EU.
     
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    "See he has managed even to Piss off Aus and we have been long lime friends"

    Is it?

    Trump has vowed to slap tariffs of 25 percent on imports of steel and 10 percent on aluminum on our EU trading partners. The 28-nation European Union, of which France is a part, has a temporary waiver from the tariffs.

    But that could change next week. The Trump administration set a May 1 deadline for decisions on exemptions if a new agreement isn’t reached to either permanently exclude the EU or provide more time to reach a deal that would stop the tariffs.

    That exemption also applies to Australia. It's over on May1.

    You really don't know what Trump is doing. You are like a blind sheep.
     
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    And that is not what took 13 agricultural colonies and turned them into the USA, it was our industrial base, created by those god awful ugly tariffs! We have allowed slave labor globalism to weaken this nation, hurt its national security by deindustrializing, in order to benefit the banksters and some big corporations. We put the profits of those above this nation and her people. And that is the big picture view folks.

    An MNC and banksters don't give a damn about this 12 trillion in trade deficits. And our gov't doesn't either. But our gov't once did, for most of its history in fact. Back when they put the best interests of our own nation above the interests of banksters and big corporations.

    So a few can profit greater, even if america runs these huge trade deficits. We see who has the most importance here, and it ain't america and her 300 mil plus average americans.
     
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    Too funny.
     
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    Wow, I don't really think I'm becoming a Democrat.
     
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    Macron is wrong at least in terms of deregulation one can be a nationalist without being a war monger. I want every country to be the best it can be, but that involves freeing people not chaining them up with ever more massive amounts of regulation.
     
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    Please note that doesn't contradict anything I said. Does not change the fact that Crimea was stuffed into the Ukraine by Stalin in the fifties, in order to give it a heavily Russian population. Please note he stuffed a lot of Russians into most other Non Warsaw Pact Eastern European SSRs post WWII as well as the Baltic states The idea apparently was to ensure some degree of loyalty to Mother Russia.
     
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    If you want to loose the battle live in the past.
    It's a global economy now.
    Of course we could kill the robots.
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    Oh God yes. Lets go back to the 1800s.
     
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    Did I miss something or did Macron just tell Trump to go F**k himself, and did Congress applaud it?
     
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    Your graph does not support your contention. Population in 1947 was 140 odd million in america. it has more than doubled since then, so of course manufactured goods would go up anyways. But if we had not shipped so much industry, that still uses humans to slave labor, that red line would not have dived as much, and the blue line would have went even higher, if we were still making what we consume. So your graph is deceptive, if you want to use it for your intent. So, are you not astute, or are you wanting to be deceptive. I will assume the prior as it is less damaging to you. Ok?

    Instead you also ignore what this globalism has wrought upon our middle class, and how many people it has put into poverty. Not important? Not to you, obviously. So go and piss on someone elses leg. I like keeping mine dry. For what matters is the big picture and what it shows when it comes to americans, other than our elites. You just gave an illustration of the old saw, figures do not lie, but liars can figure.
     
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    Sorry, It's a good chart.
    The blue line is output per worker so population growth has nothing to do with it.
    I agree the red line would not have dropped as much, but a serious drop it would be.
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    My bad. I thought the blue line was output in goods. So the blue line is worker productivity? This shows the effect of technology. The red line shows workers, affected by both technology and offshoring of jobs that still use workers.

    So, the increase in productivity due to advancing tech and the decline of people needed to provide those goods. Does it also include the service sector? For instance McDs staff today is about 1/3 of what it once was here in the local stores in my area. I only noticed this because I was a mgr at a McDs while going to college in my last year of school. And I had to do the scheduling based upon level of business each hour of the day. Difference? Tech, and changes on where the food is prepared, in store, or remotely. Much of their food now comes ready to heat em up and sell.
     

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