Trump-Netanyahu’s ‘deal of the century’ revealed

There are religious fanatics on both sides. The existence of the State of Israel is built on religious principles. My own position is what's done is done and we should support a secular Israeli state. Many of the geo-political problems of the world may be traced to religious differences...in the Middle East, in Northern Ireland, in India and Pakistan, and SE Asia. Even Vietnam may be traced to atheistic communism versus catholicism.

 

Nah, Israel is a secular state that grants special recognition to Jewish immigrants. Anyone can own property, run a business, become a citizen, run for office, print what they wish, think what they want, bow to whatever they worship. The Islamic Theocracies have a state religion, religious laws, no freedom of thought, no freedom of association, no freedom of the press, no right of assembly, no rights period--and you either bow to Allah or you bow before the Islamic Executioner's Sword. And that is what every dull-witted mind wants to willingly ignore, and whatever corrupt mind hopes will be forgotten. I say, nay, nay, nay, mister-moral-agnostic.

 

Please give a reference for the 10,000 Israelis being killed and injured? From what I know, the terrorism in Israel stopped when the wall went up.

 

Perhaps officially, but in practice the political parties are largely based on the degree of secularity versus religiosity. Netanyahu remained in power largely because of his coalitions with the the religious right. The expansion of Jewish settlements on the West Bank have been largely by the religious right seeking to expand into territory that the U.N. and most of the international community views as "occupied territory," subject to international law as such (which was also once the political position of Israel).

 

I suspect that includes the various invasions by their neighbors at various times (e.g. the Six Day War, the Yom Kipper War, etc., etc).

 

I still don't think it would come to 10 thousand? Maybe 2 or 3 thousand, but it wouldn't be by terrorism.

 

I don't know...but I'd agree that the figure probably includes war casualties. Ten thousand doesn't sound to me to be too great a number if one goes back to the creation of the State of Israel...which would include the initial battles of 1947, plus the genuine acts of terrorism.

 

Are you surprised?
Trump and Net, best mates, money and power where it belongs....
Reg.

 

I heard a Messianic Jewish girl say that the children throwing rocks at her house in Israel are children, but the Palestinian children who throw rocks are not.

As for the Middle East, the most democratic and tolerant country is not Israel, it's Syria under Assad. If it wasn't so, we wouldn't have been trying so hard to destroy him by supporting terrorists. We seem to have a special love only for tyrants who can be bribed to do our bidding. We call it 'democracy in action'.

It's said that wicked birds will fly,
together up in yonder sky.​

But not the true, for fate has shown
that justice always flies alone. - Jeannette

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Not in this day and age anymore. Most of us have become more civilized!

 

The terrorism was on both sides, it wasn't just Arafat. Shamir and Begin who were both presidents of Israel, were also terrorists. If the Palestinians didn't fear being killed, they would never have left Palestine.

I think Israel's big mistake was not compensating the Palestinians for their houses and properties. If they had done that, then the Palestinians would have given up their right of return.

 

Not that well versed in the details, although I remember "Exodus" showing the Jewish terrorism in blowing up the British military headquarters at the King David Hotel. That and general acknowledgement of the Jewish terrorist groups (I believe there were two - ?) suggests there was terrorism on both sides. Given the European Jewish experience with the Nazis, it is not surprising to me that they would have not ruled out terrorism as a weapon in what they considered a war for their "homeland." Also, I vaguely remember that there were Nazi-Arab relationships during the war. On the other hand, my impression is that the British were perfectly willing to give the Jewish diaspora what they wanted in Palestine in return for loans during WW I, but less willing to follow through in 1947.

 

The Eagle and the Wolf

A flock of birds is not necessarily the wicked
And a lone wolf is justice contradicted
But when a soaring eagle takes to fight
You can be sure the lone wolf
Will bleed and die.

Contrary to popular opinion, love does not conquer all, Reason does.
And a Just peace is the hardest fight of all, and can never morally be left to Fate.​

 

Jeanette:

This is an odd story, especially at this time. Is there some dealing going on between Russia, Israel, and America...or should I say, Putin, Netanyahu, and Trump concerning this deal? And what the heck does an American-Israeli woman have to do with it?

Vladimir Putin pardons American-Israeli woman jailed in Russia on drug charges
https://www.foxnews.com/world/vladimir-putin-pardons-israeli-woman-jailed-russian-drug-charges?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed: foxnews/world (Internal - World Latest - Text)

Any insights? Mossad? Or too much Elementary on my part?

 

Oh yeah! Guess again?

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Dreamland, dreamland,
my very own serene land,
where I am free to only see
whatever pleases me - Jeannette



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Putin is very close to Netanyahu, and it's not the first time he's pardoned people out of sympathy. I say that because it's the second time the girl has been caught with drugs. She might be addicted.

I know that he freed Khodorovsky because he felt sorry for his mother. If I remember correctly, she was supposedly sick at the time. Right after that Khodorovsky began his attacks on Putin.

I know that 1/3 of the people in Israel speak Russian and many have Russian citizenship- but they're not all Jews. Many went to Israel with their in laws. Frankly the best person to work out a peace deal between the Palestinians and Israel would be Vladimir Putin since he has good relationships with all the parties involved - even Iran, but the US will never let him.

 

Ah, just a babe lost in the woods not a spy in from the cold. Still, we have Putin the Humanitarian.

I’m glad he did it, but still isn’t getting out of hell. What would help his redemption? Privatizing oil, money, living.

 

Making things up?

 

sigh... I wish I was. Over one thousand dead Israelis and nearly nine thousand injured.

 

Satan despises Israel and, naturally, so do western leftists. As far as I can tell, western leftists support the same things Satan supports.

 

Yep.. despite them both wanting to avoid the law and be reelected, religion is the other thing.

 

Undermining Israeli security
Israeli academic Efraim Karsh described the Accords as "the starkest strategic blunder in [Israel's] history," creating the conditions
for "the bloodiest and most destructive confrontation between Israelis and Palestinians since 1948" and radicalizing "a new generation
of Palestinians" living under the rule of the Palestinian National Authority and Hamas with "vile anti-Jewish (and anti-Israel) incitement
unparalleled in scope and intensity since Nazi Germany." Karsh notes: "All in all, more than 1,600 Israelis have been murdered and
another 9,000 wounded since the signing of the DOP [Declaration of Principles]—nearly four times the average death toll of the preceding
twenty-six years."[27]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords

 

Leftists want to change the law to suit them, thus making their will legal ..... Israeli ignores the law, thus making them perpetually illegal. Satan is in your imagination.

 

Yes, it's hard to believe

Undermining Israeli security
Israeli academic Efraim Karsh described the Accords as "the starkest strategic blunder in [Israel's] history,"
creating the conditions for "the bloodiest and most destructive confrontation between Israelis and Palestinians
since 1948" and radicalizing "a new generation of Palestinians" living under the rule of the Palestinian National
Authority and Hamas with "vile anti-Jewish (and anti-Israel) incitement unparalleled in scope and intensity since
Nazi Germany." Karsh notes: "All in all, more than 1,600 Israelis have been murdered and another 9,000
wounded since the signing of the DOP [Declaration of Principles]—nearly four times the average death toll of
the preceding twenty-six years."[27]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords

 

An extract from a book that does not contain any sources written by an author that has close links to Daniel Pipes is not a reliable source. The author has been highly discredited by many commentators

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efraim_Karsh