Trump passes no insurance for abortions.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by I justsayin, Jul 16, 2020.

  1. quiller

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    Yeah, we pay enough to imprison the lawbreakers. Anybody got the new FBI stats to identify just who?
     
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    Why don't more people actually control themselves instead of demand others pay for their mistakes?
     
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    quiller Well-Known Member

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    Says who?
     
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    This is such a lame response - hard to put in to words.

    Is that the best argument you can come up with from a "faith" perspective ? - a pathetic attempt to demonize the messenger ?

    Anyone can have an opinion - but, is it informed. :)
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Theocracy is exactly what you were arguing for - You were arguing against separation of Church and State - claiming that we do not have Separation of Church and State with respect to Law in this nation.

    Completely disingenuous of you to now claim that this is not a position you support - So as it turns out - "Lying is your entire stock in Trade" - turns out to be Projection on your part.

    So for future reference - Do you support - or do you not support "Separation of Church and State"
     
  6. FoxHastings

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    FoxHastings said:
    Uh, is that anything like banning abortion in an attempt to FORCE women to gestate ?

    Why don't righties "leave women alone" ?



    I don't know why humans act like humans, maybe they're human.

    I don't know why fat slobs who don't exercise or eat right want others to pay for their heart surgeries.


    Why couldn't you answer my questions?

    WHY did you avoid them ?
     
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    The Hyde Act....the government..
     
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    Righties only worry about it BEFORE it's born, afterward , not at all.


    Explain how overturning RvW will end abortions....
     
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    I don't care what women do as long as I don't have to pay for it. Employers should be allowed to offer all the benefits they choose. Prospective employees have the right to apply elsewhere if they want benefits an employer chooses not to provide. This isn't hard.
     
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    Same can be said of Repubs who would like to ban gay marriage and abortions. Some would even like to get rid of free speech in regards to burning flag or kneeling during anthem. While I don’t agree with either of the last two examples, I do believe people have a right to burn flags or kneel during anthem.
    Spin it anyway you like, there are issues on BOTH sides of the aisle that each side would like to force on to everyone else. In my opinion the extremes on BOTH side suck.
     
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    mitchscove said:
    "Leave me alone" is built into the underpinnings of the Constitution. It is not forcing anything down anyone's throat. It is an imposition on fascist progressives because forcing their beliefs on others is in their DNA

    FoxHastings said:
    Uh, is that anything like banning abortion in an attempt to FORCE women to gestate ?

    Why don't righties "leave women alone" ?


    Oh, are you confused ? You quoted a post of mine and ignored what was in it !!

    It was addressing your post (highlighted in blue above)

    The UNANSWERED question are in bold...

    But it is good to know that money is your only concern and there's none of that "murdering babies" crap you're worried about …


    BTW, there is a law that prevents taxes from being used for abortions..
     
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    So you’d be for not covering any medical expenses if a gun owner shoots him/herself by accident when cleaning his/her gun? After all a gun owner should have control over making sure to check their weapon isn’t loaded before cleaning it, right? And also exclude covering medical expenses if a gun owner leaves a loaded weapon accessible to a toddler who then accidentally shoots his/herself or someone else? Exclude covering medical expenses for anyone with obesity related medical issues, tobacco related medical issues and alcohol related medical issues?
    That all being said...you do realize there are also life saving abortions, right? Should those people be forced to pay for a life saving procedure out of their pocket?
     
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    The Little Sisters of the Poor which is a Catholic group would be violating their moral convection if they provided birth control to others. The other 99.9999999% of employers who supply health care cover it.
     
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    It's not a cost issue.
     
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    God & Country believe otherwise, which is why I asked him for specifics. Which he, of course, didn’t answer.
     
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    And birth control is cheap, about $3 a month at Walmart or other stores, so it's not a cost issue for either the company providing the insurance or the person being insured. This is all about a very small sect of Catholic nuns who the left wanted to force to violate their morals.
     
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    I've been told I don't have a uterus so I can't have an opinion on this so I don't care.
     
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    What is covered is between you and your insurance company if you are paying for your policy out of pocket or between the employer and the insurance company and you don't have to work there. If you or the employer want to have gun accidents excluded from coverage, tell the insurance company and have them write that into the policy. Charge more for smokers, although long term smokers don't live as long and when they do get sick die quicker. I could be mistaken but I believe federal law would prevent the obesity thing as discrimination but I could be corrected on that.
     
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    I am well aware it’s not a cost thing. Which, again, is why I asked God & Country to explain his claim.
     
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    No. It's like Democrats telling me I have to pay for choices I didn't make. I thought I made that clear.

    I don't know about righties, but I make it a point to leave women who are not in my life alone. Why don't they leave me alone? Why do Democrats thnk I should participate in choices women make?
     
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    Apples and oranges the incidence of accidental shootings is very low compared to the number of abortions in America in a given year. An accidental shooting is nothing like having unprotected sex that results in a pregnancy. I don't believe anyone should have to pay for abortions, drug overdoses, smoking related illnesses, alcohol related illnesses or any other preventable medical condition. If your doctor tells you to lose weight and get more exercise and you don't and have a heart attack why should others have to pay for that particularly since a portion insurance payments go to paying for free gym memberships for healthcare participants. You can bet that if healthcare claims were denied based on poor health decisions America would become a much healthier country.
     
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    It’s actually apples to apples in that both situations require a person to have control over what they are doing.
     
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    you care if you get 'fixed'? you got those right... when the government decides, they decide, male or female
     
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    I'm male and I'm not a sea horse I can't get pregnant. So I can't have an opinion.
     

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