Trump passes no insurance for abortions.

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  1. dairyair

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    It may also make sense to remove tax exempt status in some cases
     
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    Incapable of making a post that does not contain logical fallacy they are.
     
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    Your cheap shots aside from unproved sources, it would be simpler to sterilize Democrats. One generation and done. "All pregnancies would be planned" is STRAIGHT from the Chinese one-child policies.
     
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    :roflol:

    You INSISTED that a fetus has rights but you are prepared to crap all over them just as soon as those rights become INCONVENIENT for your "beliefs".

    So now that you have trashed your own fetal rights position so where does that leave your "beliefs"?

    :roflol:
     
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    Abortion is killing innocent babies. And the left knows it.
     
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    NO one is "killing innocent babies" but if you know of anyone doing it you should report it immediately to your local law enforcement.
     
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    I said I'd leave it to the judge, who is lawfully empowered to decide it..unlike you or I. You have ytet to show where I would be inconvenienced by their birth. You have however shown how leftists think they should be abandoned. You assume the right would act as the left does --- and the left is NOTICEABLY reluctant to adopt U.S.-born kids. Why is that? Irresponsible behavior must never be rewarded.
     
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    Right...that’s gotta be it.
     
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    :applause::applause::applause:
     
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    I was just mirroring what you want to force on women

    What is good for the goose.......

    Honestly I have yet to see one post of yours acknowledging that it takes two to Tango

    Lots of verbal stoning of women though
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    It's been done. We have Pregnancy Centers..not death mills.
     
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    Never, ever tell a leftist to restrain themselves! Count the number of outraged posts at the idea morality should be involved. Murder the young! And you're Hitler if we can't kill them RIGHT NOW!
     
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    Why? Abortion is an abomination, an immoral ill. Bodily autonomy is flim flam double talk for excusing irresponsibility. Rationalizing and justifying abortion is approving of murder. I want fetuses to have the same rights as any other human BEING. The wall of the womb is meant to nurture not to create some convenient imaginary boundary that dictates what is life and what is not. Whether a mass of cells or a fully developed infant, there is no distinction, life is life. The mass of cells argument is moot, that mass of cells is the genesis of a life not some inanimate object, no manmade law can change that, it is a human being and even more so than even the corpse of a deceased person. No one has the right to interfere with life, especially as a matter of convenience.
     
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    Moving the goalposts because you cannot address the FALLACY of your "fetal rights" drivel?

    Why don't all of your fellow "believers" ADOPT the 400,000 kids waiting for homes just like yours?

    And what are you going to do with the ADDITIONAL million more kids up for adoption the year after you make abortion ILLEGAL?

    And then there will be ANOTHER million the year after that and then another and another and another.

    How many "unborn babies" are YOU willing to ADOPT in order to uphold your own BELIEFS?

    Here is the KICKER!

    Having an abortion is the RESPONSIBLE thing to do when it is an UNWANTED pregnancy that will become an UNWANTED child.

    But I am sure that concept has never entered the thoughts of the believers.
     
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    What is "being done"?
     
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    It’s cute you think only “leftists” have abortions.
     
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    I uphold your right to your BELIEFS but you do NOT get to IMPOSE your beliefs on our SECULAR society.

    Your BELIEF does not DENY any woman their RIGHT to an abortion.
     
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    Quit making up stories that you know are false. You have not supported your claim that the single human cell at conception is a living human - regardless of what the left thinks.
     
  19. quiller

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    Murder is never responsible. Never. As in absolutely not, nada, nyet, no way Jose.

    You present all sorts of imaginary scenarios but the legislature followed by the court system is what will decide this issue.

    After Ginsberg's cancer (which has returned) finally kills her and Trump can replace her with someone to the right of Clarence Thomas, and after one if not two more Supremes are named by him, this will probably get settled for good. Ted Cruz would be good.
     
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    You haven't proved your case that they are not a human being.

    Faith eludes leftists. Always has, always will. Their beliefs change hourly in this Cancel Culture they created and sustained. Those of faith don't change in the broad issues. They may change churches but not core values.
     
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    I think that's obvious, Roe v Wade is not settled law because it was bad law to begin with and with the retirement of Anthony Kennedy and the imminent death of RBG it is almost a certainty to get tossed.
     
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    Agreed.

    Then it gets returned to the individual states, which SHOULD have decided it until the runaway Supremes took it away from them. "Bad law" is a polite understatement. It is an abhorrent perversion of jurisprudence.
     
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    You keep on harping on this EMOTIVE terminology because it supports your trolling.

    As soon as you are pinned down to SPECIFICS like how do you INTEND to prosecute these alleged "murderers" all you can do is hand wave and pretend that some imaginary "lawmakers" will OVERTURN the Constitution in order to pass legislation that supports your beliefs.

    Here is a REALITY check for you.

    Even when abortion was illegal it still occurred nationwide.

    Now that there are pills that induce abortions it will be IMPOSSIBLE for you to prevent them from being available and women from using them.

    On top of that your SCOTUS scenario also needs a reality check. The MAJORITY of the electorate is FEMALE! They have the POWER to elect representatives that will make abortion LEGAL and they will IMPEACH Justices that FAIL to uphold their reproductive rights.

    REALITY overrides beliefs each and every time.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    .and the law says it isn't a legal person until birth.

    The End.....think what you like but you can't change that...
    Why?
    You want to destroy the right of bodily autonomy?

    Well, it may not end with just pregnant women....

    How about if someone needs a new heart or liver and they FORCE YOU to give them yours to sustain their life?

    With rights comes restrictions….you want fetuses to have more rights than anyone else???



    So you think it's OK that someone FORCE you to give them your heart or eye or blood without your consent to sustain their life ?

    Wow, not many people would agree with that...



    No, it isn't...and YOU have NEVER proven it's murder..



    NO, you want them to have MORE rights, the right to use another's body to sustain their life.





    Then don't use it to dictate what is life and what is not.


    No law has attempted to....NO one said a living fetus isn't alive.


    Then protest all wars ….and police brutality...
     
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    Overturning RvW does not make abortion illegal.

    It just transfers the issue to the states themselves and then EVERY blue state will make abortion LEGAL and women will come to blue states for abortions.

    In essence NOTHING changed.
     

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