Trump redoubles support for Confederate memorials and opposition to two GOP senators

President Bush has now given 3 statements about the riots and the terror act of a white racist in Charlottesville and the last one cause a real sh**storm towards him as reaction, because he steps again with his comment to condemn the With racists and Nazis really!

What must actually happen until the Trump fans wake up, drop their arrogance and use the brain to see the truth and the facts about Trump?
It is no longer amusing with what idiocy the people cling to Trump and justify his actions and his statements on the one hand, on the other hand basically the Democrats, the Left and the Liberals stand as the real evil! How blind can one actually be? This is already slowly bounded by the so-called "leadership loyalty" of my countrymen against Hitler.

Yes, I know ... I am an evil German, dare to make a connection or a comparison between Trump and Hitler here in an American forum! What do I actually allow myself to do for an insolence as a non-American?
Sorry, it's me, because the USA is not yet an unimportant banana republic and unfortunately it has a lot of impact on the whole world, what the trainee at the White House does and says and what place is better than a forum From the country where the guy tries to be president?

Actual reaction form inside the USA...

#1 - Former Presidents H.W. and W. Bush denounce racism in wake of Charlottesville!
Former Presidents George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush joined the chorus of lawmakers speaking out to condemn the racist violence that occurred in Charlottesville, Virginia, over the weekend.
But the statement, coming one day after President Donald Trump was widely criticized for appearing to draw a moral equivalency between white supremacists and those protesting against them, did not directly address the President's response.

"America must always reject racial bigotry, anti-Semitism, and hatred in all forms. As we pray for Charlottesville, we are reminded of the fundamental truths recorded by that city's most prominent citizen in the Declaration of Independence: we are all created equal and endowed by our Creator with unalienable rights. We know these truths to be everlasting because we have seen the decency and greatness of our country."

2 Source examples (all media reports this):

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-hw-bush-statement-bigotry-antisemitism-trump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...f-america-under-trump-i-dont-like-the-racism/

#2 - CEO's quit Trump council over reaction of Trump about violence in Charlottesville!
CEOs walked away from Trump one after another in wake of his remarks... and what is reaction of Trump? He close the councils by Twitter due to this to avoid for being further embarrassed the economic elite of the USA (because when he close the councils, no one of them can leave him and make bad media reports with it)!

The list of those who quit with Trump is like a "Who is who in US economic", so I will take only 1 as example:

JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon Issues Sharp Rebuke of Trump

In a message to employees, JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon said:
“I strongly disagree with President Trump's reaction to the events that took place in Charlottesville over the past several days, Racism, intolerance and violence are always wrong. The equal treatment of all people is one of our nation’s bedrock principles. There is no room for equivocation here: the evil on display by these perpetrators of hate should be condemned and has no place in a country that draws strength from our diversity and humanity.”
The email is a notable departure for Dimon who, in the past, has displayed a willingness to work with Trump. In May, the chief executive rebuffed protesters' demands that he quit the forum, saying that while he didn’t always agree with the president, he still wanted to help him lead the country.

3 sources about this as example (again do all report about it!):

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...mp-council-after-charlottesville-fallout.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...armour-quits-advisory-council-Charlottesville

http://fortune.com/2017/08/16/jpmorgan-ceo-jamie-dimon-issues-sharp-rebuke-of-trump/

#3 - Even the right wing TV channel "Fox News" which is so often liked by the Trump fans to quote (same way they hate CNN on the other hand) attacks trump too!
Despite stubborn attempts by the editorial staff, the right-wing conservative US broadcaster Fox News said he could not find a Republican to defend the statements of US President Donald Trump in the right-wing extremism debate.

"Our booking team has contacted Republicans of all camps from across the country," said Moderator Shepard Smith on Wednesday evening (local time) in his broadcast. "We could not get anyone to come and defend him (Trump)."

2 sources as example of the change at Fox news against Trump now... you will find much more of course!

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/16/business/media/fox-host-eboni-k-williams-trump.html?mcubz=3

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/03/trump-doubles-down-on-fake-news-attacks.html

#4 - Joint Chiefs close ranks in condemning racism
Nearly all of the nation's top military leaders unequivocally condemned racism in public messages Wednesday, posing a stark and unusual contrast to President Donald Trump’s remarks that both white supremacists and counter protesters were equally to blame for the violent clashes in Charlottesville, Va., over the weekend.
The brass did not mention Trump specifically but made clear they would not tolerate racism in the ranks, after it was revealed that some former troops attended and helped organize the deadly white supremacist rally that singled out minorities and Jews.

Military leaders, however, are clearly seeking to distance their organizations from the rally's participants, some of whom wore military regalia.
For example, the 82nd Airborne Division, whose paratroopers fought Nazis during World War II, condemned a man at the Charlottesville rally wearing a hat with the unit's insignia.
A veteran of WW-2 was quoted in another source "I did not fight the Nazis and got frost bites in the Battle of the Bulge to have them now in my streets walking around!"

2 source examples, again every media is reporting this too:

http://www.latimes.com/politics/was...ders-condemn-racism-1502898652-htmlstory.html

https://www.voanews.com/a/us-military-leaders-speak-out-against-racism-extremism/3988180.html

I can go further on but at this point these 4 issues and examples should be enough!

 

I do understand your points, and generally agree.

For what it's worth, I've been saying that the Fourth Reich is alive and well in the US ever since Bush took the country to war (a war that has not yet ended) under fraud. Fascism has existed in this country at least since that time, probably before. Corporatism, industry controlling government policy and writing the laws.

Not sure that it's true, but rumor had it that relevant to Trump's first divorce, it was claimed that his bedside reading consisted of Mein Kampf.

 

Fascism is the enemy of corporatism.
They are anti-capitalists. It's a socialist ideology.

Instead, Germany famously had the government controlling every industry and turning much of it over to war manufacturing.

 

Rationalize it any way you need to, but the definition in my dictionary for fascism describes the situation in the US today to a 't'. And a self-described fascist, Mr. Mussolini, described it the same way.

Have you ever considered what Ike said in 1961 on the subject of weapons programs?

 

Elements of fascism, yes,
Fascism, no.

Fascism was mainstream socialism, so you will get elements of it in every government on the planet.

So while we may compare elements of US politics to fascism, it does not compare with that particular element of fascism you have raised.
Corporatism. That isn't fascist. That is anti fascist.

And I would be very surprised if Mr Mussolini described his own government as corporatist. But I don't know so much about Italian fascism.

 

Even if a normal person would have to get eye cancer when reading "Mein Kampf", I do not know whether Trump read it or not and we will never know it for sure.

It is interesting, however, that the election campaign of Hitler before 1933 with all the slogans and how he was reared and how he was briefly "managed", has some serious and note able parallels to that of Trump last year.

I know, anyone making any sort of comparison Hitler with Trump for whatever will easy earn the anger of some persons here in forum, particularly if a foreigner and coming form Germany like me. But the facts of existing parallels behind it are not deniable... and could at best by Trumponians rated as chance.

 

Mmmh ... Well ... the electors of Mussolini and also of Hitler were, of course, in majority workers and citizens, but look more exactly who were the main donors with both and then it melts with your "not Corporatist" like ice in the sun!

 

You seem to not know so much about it, yes. Perhaps you do not often consult a dictionary to learn terms and definitions?

 

I am not clear what Bush has to do with the OP since it is mostly about Trump. Either way, America has suffered many fools and it will suffer many more and still come out on top.

 

I think you may need to take your own advice.

Fascism was a socialist workers people movement.

Bankers for example, were the first to go in Hilter's Fascism.
He'd didn't conspire to run the place with them, he threw them into ovens. Reclaimed the gold from their teeth for the people of his country.
Hitler was a nationaliser not a privatiser.

So we might compare Trumps anti immigrant rhetoric with Nazi rhetoric of the day, and we may compare Trumps military strike on Syria as comparable with Hitler's and Mussolini's invasions in some way. I might well compare his building of a Mexican wall with Hitler's autobahns or defences on the Manstein line. As a proponent of great public works.


But outside of that they are basically polar opposites.
No state controlled media in Trumps campaign. No socialism, no nationalisation of industries. No demonization of the rich. No changing of the national constitution to give him more power. No private political armies raised.
etc etc etc.

He is against Obamacare, not for it.
He is a capitalist through and through and not an anti capitalist from the working classes.
Fascism isn't what you want it to be. It wasn't "right wing".

 

Much like how Obama came from obscurity raised by the Chicago political machine and vilified his 'enemies', other Americans.

 

O ... again this evil Obama is all guilty?

Isn't it nice that you blame Obama to have cause all this dividing and whatever else of US society and all the other things he is blamed to be guilty for during his 8 years ... but this Trainee in White House needs not even 8 months to mess it up much more?

 

All that, and not a single definition. I'm not surprised.

To hopefully help the 'discussion', here's one from Webster: A philosophy or governmental system marked by stringent socioeconomic control, a strong central government usually headed by a dictator, and often a belligerently nationalistic policy. Also, (2) Oppressive, dictatorial control.

 

Rothschild sponsored Communism in Russia during the revoulotion.
Does that make the Soviet Union capitalist or corporatist?
I'm sorry but it does not.

The opposite is true.

 

I'll go with belligerently nationalistic policy out of those and none of the rest.

And while I might make comparison to this, what I won't do is equate Trumps level of that belligerence and nationalism with that found in Nazi Germany. That would be ridiculous. Absurd.

Trump is a weak president. Not a strong one. Possibly the weakest yet.
Lowest public approval rating, lowest % of the vote to ever get elected with.
Not many friends in Congress and the Senate to get his laws passed. He is not a dictator at all but is tied more deeply by democratic checks and balances than any US president ever and indeed more than most other world leaders since America has a bugger sight more of them than any other political system on earth.
Dictator my arse.

Nor is there any oppression going on in America. None.
Zero.
No gulags, and no camps. No one is rounding up whinging lefties. They are left free to piss, whine and moan as much and as loudly as they like.
Which they are doing.
Just as the righties did so about Obama only a year ago.

He is not a proponent of state socioeconomic control. He is right wing. Stood as a Republican.
The small government, light regulation people.
Made anti state control and cronyism the core of his campaign.

Obamacare is state socio economic control. Trump rejects it. Stands for the opposite of this.

Trump is as anti fascist as they come.

 

Ehm ... but you know that the Rothschild's did everything that Russia stays in war with Germany, when the Tsar wanted to go have peace still since 1916? You know that the really bankrupt Russia was suddenly mega creditworthy in 1916 and here Rothschild had his fingers in it and thus could carry on the war?

The truth is unfortunately different of what you wrote ... and the opposite!

Even today's Russian central bank is linked to Rothschild. In fact, it is historically and legally seen as the successor of the Bolshevik Bank Gosud (Gosudarstvenny bank SSSR). Founded in October 1921. But there was nothing to do with Rothschild, but he was also in the possession of the state. By the way, the Bolsheviks have expropriated all the private banks and brought them together in the Gosbank.
So at least the Tsarist Bank (founded 12 June 1860) was owned by Rothschild? Notwithstanding, the statutes of the State Bank of the Russian Empire show it to be in the possession of the state that at that time it meant primarily the tsar Alexander II.

The financing of the Bolsheviks from Lenin unfortunately came from Germany, because it was Germany's goal that Russia emerged from the war ... especially after the US also entered the war on the side of the Allies!

 

Mandelus, I just don't care mate.
If you are looking at the USSR and seeing a capitalist take over, I'm not ever going to take you seriously.

I can agree with you Rotschild donated money, I do not agree with you that it bought him the Soviet government and made a pawn of it in his games.
Conspiracy theory bollocks.

Try and get some nuance in this one please. He had influence. His money bought him influence, but not control.
You talk like a fascist.

These are the very same political claims that took Hitler to power.
Same ones he campaigned on.

Fascism was mainstream. Not extreme. Centrist politics.
The guy who thinks evil corporations rule the world? He is your average fascist.
Target audience.

Fascism is not corporatist and nor is it's sister communism.
Both these political ideologies are branches of socialism.
Anti corporatist.

 

I remember seeing stuff like this about Hillary too. Just a partisan way of building your meme really.

Since both sides completely ignore one person and promote the other person to be 'The Devil', I have decided to almost completely ignore anything like this. I look at their voting history and their proposed ideals/votes, then comes into consideration trust and personal morals.

In the past if they were about the same, I have basically ignored the personal stuff altogether. If my candidate was the better morally principled person (in my opinion of course) than it further solidified my choice. Likewise, I would have to LOVE "my guy/gal's" stances on the issues if he was morally bankrupt compared to the other.

With the internet now days, it is so obvious to see that lists like these can be complied for any president. Bush, Obama, Trump and Hillary too of course. Another reason why I ignore a lot of these statements over a long period of time. Not only are they often taken out of context and typed to fit an ideal order, we have to remember that in these long periods of time (15 years here?) people are going to change somewhat if not drastically.

Anyways, long way of me saying that sadly it is a nothingberger to me. Hopefully the new crop of politicians is already so mindful of their online presence that they won't have these problems in the future.

 

How is Bush getting what he deserves (your title)?

 

LOL. I listened to all his statements about the violence in NC, when the police retreated and allowed groups of people who hate one another to beat one another up, with the cops even allowing or enabling the nut running people over in his car, committing murder. And find it bat **** crazy that he was blasted for not saying exactly what the dems and haters wanted to hear. And yet he condemned it, but all his haters wanted to hear was only about the racists, even as the left wing group Antifa was just as much responsible for the violence as the racists, and the racists were vastly out numbered. Takes two to tango, yet the hate filled antifa, the past criminality of this hate group, was apparently not supposed to be mentioned at all, for only the KKK and neo-Nazis are the bad guys, as antifa should be given a pass.

This could have been avoided if we only had intelligent politicians. The permit was issued for the racists, but not for the left wing protestors. So only the racists had the legal right to be there. Yet the left was allowed in, as anyone knew this guaranteed violence especially when the cops retreated. If the racists had been allowed to protest, without the likes of antifa allowed to come in from other states, no doubt financed by someone with money, this would not be much of a news story. 50 to a 100 or so racists show up to protest the removal of civil war statues, with permits, and the local politicians basically by their ineptness enabled the final outcome. But only the racists have responsibility in the criminality and hate driven violence. And trump condemning them all just was not good enough to the idiots who no matter what trump would have said, would never have been enough for these intellectually dishonest nuts. Such utterly petty, infantile mentality coming from these people who are driven into pettiness and irrationality by the strong, and evil emotion we call hate. Literally slaves to the hatred, but this slavery is gratifying to these sociopaths.

 

Mussolini, for one, would disagree with you.

It was a capitalistic paradise, in a way, as the industry was now functionning on governemental authority rather than free market. To protest against it would be like the military industrial complex complaining they have too much public funds. The heads of German industry were far from being against fascism - quite the contrary.

 

Just want to agree. The argument that fascism does not support some capitalistic ideals is wrong. It supports it. The difference is it just supports it for a handful of people and insures they have no competition. It insures laws and regulations do not hinder the ability of those people to make as much money as they can.

If this country were to move to be fascist those at the top running corporations would become even wealthier. A fascist nation still needs industry and people running it.

As for someone like Trump he certainly has demonstrated by his actions he is more in line with autocrats and fascist than any other President in my life time.

He has had and is planning more political rallies after his election.

He has offered praise to people like Deuter who has used police to target political enemies and the press. Someone who gave his police force a kill list with no evidence that those people actually committed crimes. Someone who not only supported the killing of a journalist he says he knows who did it.

He is focusing on military power over diplomacy.

Demonizing certain races and religions.

Nationalistic attitude.

Attacking the press and calling them the enemy of the people.

Claiming he is the only one with the answers, but never revealing what those answers are.

Verbal attacks on the courts.

Has shown displeasure with the legislative process.

Lying and making accusations with no evidence.

Surrounding himself with elites. His cabinets picks are the wealthiest by far than any other President's.

Placing family and friends in prominent roles.

A demand for loyalty. There seems to be no middle ground. You either fully support him or you are an enemy.

Pushing the narrative how popular and beloved he is frequently.

Called for or supported violence against dissenters at his rallies.

He is very much anti-liberal.

Made claims before the election that if he loses it was because the election was rigged. Did not come right out and say he would accept the results. He carried that further by making the claim millions voted illegally with no evidence. Actually all evidence suggest voter fraud is very uncommon and most cases are people making honest mistakes. At least that is what every government and private nonpartisan groups have found.

Seems really anti-intellectual and science.

While some of the above can apply to other Presidents none I have seen have so much on common with autocrats or fascist past and present.

I am not saying Trump is knowingly pushing for fascism. Just that he has much in common with them.

 

Coming from a german who thinks he knows more about America than trump voters do 1 issue is too many

 

typing error ... sorry!

but hey you know, every typing and grammar error you find, you can take and have