Trump said he doesn't know if he should follow the law

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  1. Shutcie

    Shutcie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    See?
    You heard and then inserted your own interpretation to fit your agenda.
     
  2. Shutcie

    Shutcie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have posted the link several times already. It is the decision of the hearing officer in 2019 that had 3 specific findings;
    1) Garcia is a member of MS 13
    2) A protection order preventing Garcia from being deported to El Salvador (it did not say he couldn't be deported, in fact the deportation order at issue remained in effect, the judge in the case only said he could not be deported to El Salvador)
    3) Garcia's application for asylum was denied because he had been in the country for many years before seeking asylum. The law is very clear; one must apply for asylum within one year or the application must be denied.

    You can google it or search the forum for it. Not my problem that you haven't been paying attention.
     
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  3. Junkieturtle

    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I suppose we should be thankful that his senility is causing him to say things out loud that a saner person would know not to. Trump's always had a loose relationship with his personal filter to begin with, but in the past he would have spun this differently. He's slowly losing his grasp on reality.

    If only there had been some signs, some kind of warning, that this would happen. If only.
     
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    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    @Junkieturtle
    ""I suppose we should be thankful that his senility is causing him to say things out loud that a saner person would know not to.""

    Great..... then post all of his words in context instead of posting disinformation and propaganda by cherry picking and then leaving out the exculpatory words.
    How the days of "bloodbath" and "fine people " misquotes come back to haunt us...
     
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    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What disinformation and propaganda did I post? Are you confusing yourself with me?
     
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    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    Try honesty for a change... post all his words and not play the silly little gotcha game.....
     
  7. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    It sure looks to me like you're the one playing a silly juvenile game in your obvious BS effort to try to defend your favorite ignorant convicted felon. Talk about "honesty", do you really believe posters here are that stupid? It's not rocket science.

    KRISTEN WELKER:
    Your secretary of state says everyone who’s here, citizens and non-citizens, deserve due process. Do you agree, Mr. President?

    DONALD TRUMP:
    I don’t know. I’m not, I’m not a lawyer. I don’t know.

    KRISTEN WELKER:
    Well, the Fifth Amendment says as much.

    DONALD TRUMP:
    I don’t know. It seems — it might say that


    The ignorant psychopath took an Oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution. His number one mandated duty as President of the US. It is non-negotiable and non-ambiguous. Something he clearly shows the world he has never read or if he has, does not understand a word of it and for sure by his words and his 24/7 lawless actions has no intention to preserve, protect and defend it. No one needs to be a lawyer to understand the plain English words of the Oath of Office or read the Constitution, especially not the President of the US.

    What is it that YOU don't understand or more likely pretend you don't understand about the meaning of I DON'T KNOW and the difference between those words and YES, which is the one and only correct answer to those questions?

    No need to respond, I am clearly posting to no one home.
     
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    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    Try to keep up @Bob0627

    President Trump is correct.... The SCOTUS did not say what the fake hack reporter thinks they said....""the supreme court said they have a different interpretation." of what this slimey reporter was misreporting... she threw him a untrue question... "Due process" protections for legal and illegal "person" are not absolute and vary by context.
    And many of these case involve designated terrorist Venezuela-based transnational criminal organization gang members.... they do not receive the same due process rights as legal American citizens. Suspected foreign gang members face expedited procedures with significantly fewer protections, particularly under laws like the Alien Enemies Act. Judicial challenges may offer limited recourse, but the legal system prioritizes national security over equitable process for non-citizens in these cases. The Supreme Court ruled on April 7, 2025, that individuals targeted for deportation under the AEA are entitled to some due process, specifically notice and an opportunity to challenge their designation as gang members in federal court, typically via habeas corpus petitions.
     
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    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    Try not to be intellectually insulting "popscott", there is never a time when this disgusting excuse for a human being is ever correct. But bend over for this piece of garbage if it pleases you (or better for that vermin), you own it.
     
  10. Shutcie

    Shutcie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes! Let your hate flow! Feel the rush! Let it alter your perception of the real world!
     
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    I already answered your question. In this very thread. In response to another of your posts. Which you have ignored because you don’t have a good answer.
     
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    I’m sorry that I don’t subscribe to your posts. I guess I just don’t find them that interesting.

    I have an alternative theory as to why you won’t post these fabled decisions of yours. You can’t point to a decision that finds as a matter of fact that Garcia is a gang member.

    At best you can find a decision that says Garcia cannot receive bond because he can’t prove that he’s not a gang member. I am familiar with that decision. I’m not familiar with the one you are describing because it doesn’t exist.

    Importantly, in the case in which Garcia was denied bond, he was not given the opportunity to cross examine the confidential informant who allegedly IDed him as a member of MS13. That’s because it was just a bond hearing.
     
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  13. Shutcie

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    Rather than stretch your imagination to find useless theories go search for the decision on Google. Or on this forum. Or have you already done that and have gone troll mode?
    I've posted it twice. 2019 decision. The basis for ruling Garcia a gang member was in part his own admission, his association with other known gang members, the infamous tattoos and of course the reliable informant.

    This decision was appealed.
    Twice.
    By Garcia.
    He lost.
    Twice.
    How much more due process would you give Garcia?
     
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    The Supreme Court has said exactly how much due process. He received none when was sent to Trump's concentration camp.

    Your boy is at war with the Constitution every second of every day. Wake up.
     
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    Based on what? For a high-level gangbanger, he sure has kept his nose ****ing clean. He must be the greatest criminal mastermind of all time. Do your homework. There's no evidence he was a gang member. He certainly does not belong in Trump's concentration camp after being sent there with no due process, no evidence, and no charges. You need to rethink why you are cheering for this.
     
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    A decision of an immigration officer found that Garcia was a MS 13 gang member.
    Garcia appealed that 2019 decision.
    Twice.
    Garcia lost.
    Twice.
    The gang member finding was based on Garcia admission that he was a member, that when apprehended he was with other known MS 13 members, those tattoos, and a RELIABLE confidential informant statement.

    All of this has been posted, including the decision, on this forum before.
    Several times.
    Why are you supporting an ILLEGAL CRIMINAL MIGRANT who has had due process?
     
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    The first court relied on the fee fees of the cop alone. Nothing else. The second judge OPENLY DOUBTED THE EVIDENCE WAS SUFFICIENT FOR SUCH A LABEL. He was "appealing" the label, either. I oppose sending an apparently innocent man to a concentration camp. I don't understand your hatred for due process. He received none when he was sent to Trump's concentration camp. A fact you can never address. I also so not understand your apparent adoration for the cruel and unusual punishment that our Founding Fathers despised. But, as I've said a million times, there is no functioning libertarian right anymore. The authoritarian right has taken over.

    Please get it in your head that just being brown, having some ink, and wearing a Bulls hat doesn't make you a terrorist gang member. And, yes, that's all they were really going on. You are free to believe that warrants a concentration camp. I do not.
     
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    First, it is incorrect that the first judge relied on the claims of the cop alone. A big part of the decision was his association with other known gang members. The judge put little weight on Garcia's dress or the tattoos, rather he relied primarily on Garcia being with other known MS-13 gang members and the confidential informant who had previously been declared reliable.
    But all of the doubts now cast on the evidence that declared Garcia a gang member is irrelevant.
    In 2019 Garcia was adjudicated as a gang member of MS-13.
    He appealed that decision.
    Twice.
    He lost.
    Twice.
    The decision is beyond discussion at this point. Twirl all you need to because the decision is a significant monkey wrench in your pleas on Garcia's behalf. It changes nothing. The decision is final, over and done with, and stands as written. Deal with it.

    You know all this.

    That you and so many others have resorted to playing the race card, and using emotive words like "Concentration camp" and "Trump's concentration camp" and DEMANDING yet more due process is telling. You realize you've chosen the wrong mountain to fight and die on. And you need to be very careful declaring that anyone not in lockstep with your position on Garcia is a racist. That allegation is unsupportable.
    And you know it.
    So stop already.
     
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    Yeah, you need to read up, dude. You are waaaaaaay behind. The "association with other known gang members" . . . CAME FROM THE ****ING COP ALONE. A COP WHO WAS LATER DISGRACED AND REMOVED FROM THE FORCE. And even that "association with known gang members" was BASED ON BEING IN A HOME DEPOT PARKING LOT WITH SOME* OF THEM. I put the * there because I haven't seen any evidence that these OTHER guys were actually gang members that didn't ALSO come from the corrupt cop. So, are we finally to the point where maybe, MAYBE I can get you to finally give a flying **** about the ****ing Constitution?
     
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    Tell us why the cop was removed….
     
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    The decision is beyond discussion at this point. Twirl all you need to because the decision is a significant monkey wrench in your pleas on Garcia's behalf. It changes nothing. The decision is final, over and done with, and stands as written. Deal with it.

    For you to now attack a legal, formally upheld decision because it doesn't fit your talking points is shameful. Garcia got due process in 2019 ACCORDING TO THE CONSTITUTION AND ALL OF THE LEGAL PRECEDENTS THAT EXISTED AT THE TIME.
    So tell me, yardmeat, based on FACT, not rhetoric and BS who is it that doesn't give a flying **** about the "******* constitution?"
    And while we're at it you are dismissed for calling OUR Constitution a " ******* Constitution."

    Shame on you.
     
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    You have Google. Not my problem.
     
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    Yes. The Supreme Court's decision is beyond discussion at this point. Yet you celebrate your boy continuing to **** on the Constitution and ignore the courts. You do not understand even the very baby basics of due process. You are the one attacking the Constitution here, bud. I'm trying to get you to learn to read and respect it, even if the fascist parasite you voted for is incapable of doing so. Shame on your.

    Learn to read the Constitution. Learn to stop hating due process. Learn to stop loving cruel and unusual punishment. And just an FYI, the Constitution talks about both of those things. Spoiler alert.
     
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    I don't think you thought this sentence through.

    I'm sorry you don't think professionalism in law enforcement is important. You clearly don't. I do. We'll have to agree to disagree there. As far as your "beating one's wife" accusation goes, you don't want to go there. Especially considering who you voted for. And since it will bring up your hatred for Constitutional due process and love for unconstitutional punishment again.
     

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