Trump says he won't sign Republican loyalty pledge, flouting debate requirement

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  1. Durandal

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    Trump says he won't sign Republican loyalty pledge, flouting debate requirement
    JONATHAN J. COOPER
    Updated Thu, August 10, 2023 at 11:01 AM CDT

    Former President Ugly Racist said Wednesday he won't sign a pledge to support the Republican nominee if he loses the GOP presidential primary, flouting a requirement for appearing in the first debate later this month.

    “Why would I sign it?" Buttplug Face said in an interview on the conservative cable network Newsmax. “I can name three or four people that I wouldn’t support for president. So right there, there’s a problem.”

    He declined to name the candidates he wouldn't support, saying “there's no reason to insult them.” But he singled out South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott and businessman Vivek Ramaswamy for praise, saying they “have been very nice.”

    ... https://news.yahoo.com/trump-says-wont-sign-republican-004206391.html

    This is hilarious! And not at all surprising, of course. It's funny to watch Trump refuse to sign a pledge that was put in place for his sake, i.e. to force the other candidates to support Trump if he gets the nomination, but he is so drunk with power, full of himself, convinced of his own invincibility within the Republican establishment, and just plain narcissistic and egomaniacal, that he won't sign it himself. It's always a one-way street with him. What's yours is his and what's his is his. You can support him and agree with him on every point, or you can take a hike.
     
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    I would not use such language about when speaking of Trump. I will leave to that to him.

    But the fact that he won't sign a loyalty pledge should tell Republicans something about him.

    It's all about TRUMP. It's his ego and his selfish attitudes.

    The welfare of the country comes first. The welfare of the political party is further down the list. Somebody's big fat ego is below that.
     
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    I'll say it again.
    Neither Trump or Biden will get their parties nomination.

    Pick another candidate.

    GO NIKKI HALEY!
     
  4. Independent4ever

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    No reason for Trump to be in the debate- the GOP primary race is long over

    and if he told them he would come if they eliminated that requirement, they would do so in a heartbeat
     
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    Finally I agree with Trump. Republican can go to hell ( if they still exist). It’s all about Trump. Either fall in line with Trump or get the hell out.
     
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    I wish the MAGA crowd would start their own party and let the Republican Party move back towards being moderate and closer to the center than the far right. I cannot get behind the extreme right or left as they smack of authoritarianism which is the bane of democracy.
     
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    I hope you are right, but I fear you are not. What makes you so sure?
     
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    So I don't see Biden making it to the convention in a conscious state. The man is a babbling idiot now. But even if he should, the Democrats will ultimately realize that babbling Joe cannot beat any reliable candidate.
    What's holding them up now, in my opinion, is that a) they don't have a viable alternative and b) loyalty to Biden, even when it is harmful to the party.

    Trump has been cornered. I see him cutting a deal to make all the indictments go away if he promises to never hold public office again. As bogus as most of the charges against him are, I don't see him taking the chance of a conviction and loss on appeal. If Trump can somehow save face, he'll give up a nomination to avoid conviction. As an aside, even if convicted, I don't think Trump will do jail; the secret service cannot provide security in even a country club prison. He might get house arrest, but again, I don't see that happening. Now, even if Trump didn't cut a deal the Republicans have too many other viable candidates without the baggage to choose from. My vote goes to Nikki Haley, but regardless, even Chris Christie can beat any of the possible democratic candidates.
     
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    But here is the difference between DNC vs RNC. RNC is controlled by extreme right, DNC is not controlled by extreme left. Yes, there are liberals who’s ideas are far from what majority Americans wants, but they are not controlling democratic party or policy. For example “ defund the police” . I think there are only 3 city tried that out of thousands and thousand blue cities. But look on the other side – just take abortion issue, the right compete who can implement the most extreme policy.
     
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    Is that a your medical diagnostic. I thought it’s hard to diagnose people on TV, but you must have mastered the “ Art of medical diagnoses over telepathy”.
     
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    This is completely incorrect.

    The pledge was originally put into place by the RNC (via a primary debate question) because they wanted to make Trump look "disloyal" in the 2015-2016 primary season, as he was the only person at the time who was unwilling to sign the pledge (he was the only one who raised his hand during that primary debate). Then, after Trump secured the nomination against their plans, the other professionally Republican candidates did not support Trump (and never had any intention of supporting him) even though they pledged to do so during that primary debate where the question was asked.

    That's how little the stupid loyalty pledge means to the very creators of it (the RNC), let alone to anyone else.
     
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    You seem to forget that the loyalty pledge BS started back in the 2015-2016 primary season, and was started by the RNC (and was brought up during a primary debate) because the RNC wanted to make Trump out to be "disloyal" as he was the only candidate who was unwilling to sign the pledge at the time.

    Then, after Trump secured the nomination, all those pro-RNC professionally Republican hack candidates who signed the pledge refused to support Trump in 2016. Jeb! signed the pledge at the time, but Jeb! was and still is a "never Trumper". Didn't honor the pledge, did he? What a dishonest and disloyal POS Jeb! is (along with all the other "professionally Republican" politicians who also signed the pledge)... Thus, the very own people who created the pledge don't even take it seriously, so why should anyone else?

    And why would anyone want to pledge loyalty to a corrupt elitist globalist club of rich politicians who are selling out We The People at every turn?

    I'm 100% with Trump on this.
     
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    No.

    Trump 2024 or bust.
     
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    If Trump does not get the Republican nomination, would you be happy if Trump ran a third party campaign, split the conservative vote and tossed the election to the Democrats? I guess you answered than question in your next post.

    It happened in 1912, when another ego-manic, Theodore Roosevelt bolted the party. The result was the election of Woodrow Wilson as president. There are those who think that Wilson was a great president, but I am not one of them. If you call him "neat great," as some have done, you are way off the mark. He got us into World War I which got a lot of young men killed and maimed for nothing. He then tried to sell out our national sovereignty to the League of Nations, a forerunner of the United Nations.

    All of this was on top Wilson's attorney general who government control freak. He put people in jail for exercising their first amendment rights.

    If he gets the Republican nomination, you will get your wish ... BUST ... with four more years of Biden and Harris.
     
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    Now? He's been a babbling idiot for much of his political career... it's just much worse nowadays.

    Biden can beat any Republican candidate other than Donald J. Trump.

    Gavin Newsom is already lurking in the shadows should his name be called.

    The DNC loves Biden, but they'd be fine with Gavin too.

    Nah.

    That's what the RNC and the DNC (aka the political elites) ultimately want to happen. That's not going to happen under any circumstances.

    ALL of them are bogus. Every. single. one. It's lawfare at its finest. However, what the RNC/DNC don't realize is that they are making a martyr out of Trump. They are only further bolstering and increasing support for Trump in their lawfare actions.

    He will see it through to the end, to whatever end. I suspect that a higher non-activist court would grant him a win on appeal... but the point of the lawfare tactics is to get at least one activist-court conviction against Trump before the 2024 (s)election so that they can have their mind manipulating media heads constantly pound the "Trump is a convicted criminal" messaging into people's heads, even if that conviction will later be overturned on appeal sometime after the 2024 (s)election.

    He has nothing to "save face" from. He is an innocent man being wrongfully prosecuted. He is a martyr.

    Nope. Trump will see it through until the end, to whatever end.

    I don't see it happening either, but I don't really spend time thinking about it because nothing changes in my mind whether he gets wrongfully convicted or not. My vote is still going to Trump regardless. My vote will never ever go to another RNC/DNC hack ever again, regardless.

    Nope. Republicans have nobody else atm who can win other than Trump. Without Trump, they don't have the needed support/votes.

    "Baggage" is irrelevant. The political elite (RNC/DNC) and their mind-manipulating media mouthpieces will create "baggage" for ANY candidate who opposes their corrupt elitist globalist interests.

    Nikki Haley is a corrupt elitist globalist Uniparty hack who can't win.

    No, Chris Christie can't beat much of anyone at this point. He is universally hated by Democrats, Repubicans, Independents, blacks, whites, hispanics, etc etc...


    The only candidate who can win against Democrats this cycle is Donald J. Trump... this is for two reasons:

    1) The significant existence of the "Trump-or-bust" vote, which vastly outnumbers the "never Trump" vote.

    2) Trump's unique-to-Republicans ability to win in the Rust Belt region (WI, MI, PA, OH, MN, IA) as well as perform stronger than other Republicans within urban areas, as well as stronger than other Republicans with Hispanics (see FL, NV, AZ, TX,...) ...
     
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    You tell me.
    Is Biden in control of his faculties?
    Doesn't take a medical degree or
    *looks at post again
    "Art of medical diagnoses over telepathy ".
    To know the man is a babbling fool.

    But all it takes to blindly defend him as a candidate in his current condition is a lack of alternatives.
     
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    so Trump is afraid to debate, lol
     
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    A basic rule of politics is, when you're leading in the polls, you gain nothing by debating.

    No matter. Trump won't be on the ballot.
     
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    I have said the same thing here several times over the last several months.
     
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    While I can appreciate the differences, it’s the similarities I take issue with. There are no shortage of those on the right that perceive the DNC as extreme. Evidence of that are the 70+ million Americans that in 2020 said yes to four more years of Trump after all the insanity the man inflicted upon America. Think how extreme many on the right must think the DNC is to scare them into voting for Trump, who they perceive as the lesser evil.
     
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    You mean the Corporatist warmongering party? Just like the Democratic party is when they're in office? Lets get back to the sane politics of debating nothing while the house collapses. Just as long as the bankers and corporate leaders live the high life while the rest of America looks like a Brazil slums.
     
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    "Doesn't take a medical degree"
    after that no need to discuss the topic. but if your emotion needs some uplifting and confidence to think trump will win 2024 .. keep diagnosing Biden whatever your heart desire, the result will be same. trump will go back to FL and GOP will claim dead people voted for Biden.

    but the result will be same

    GOP lost special election in 2017
    GOP lost Mid-term election in 2018
    GOP Lost Presidential election in 2020
    GOP lost special election in 2021 and lost 2 Senate position in ruby red state in GA.
    GOP lost Senate and to GOV in mid-term 2022 election. Red wave became oh well.
    GOP lost special election in 2023 – In Wisconsin ,
    GOP Lost special election ( Issue 1) in Ohio in 2023
     
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    70 million Americans didn’t vote for Trump because they are afraid of DNC or liberal. They voted for trump because their “1950 America” will be gone by 2040. The way of life they knew will no longer exist. They wanted to preserve the American way of life before the “ Civil Rights “era.
     
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    you mean the Trump party that just gave Corporations a permanent mega tax cut and called it a middle class tax cut
     
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    OH, I thought I had made my position clear about Trump.
    He won't be on the ballot either, come 2024.
    And if he somehow gets on the ballot he won't be getting my vote, unless he's running against Biden. And then, like the first time, I'll be voting against the democrat more than for Trump.
    No matter.

    So tell us, do you really think Biden is in control of his faculties?

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