Trump says he won't sign Republican loyalty pledge, flouting debate requirement

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  1. Roelath

    Roelath Well-Known Member

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    That's what you're hyperfocused on? Each party favors corporations in their own way. Republicans will give tax cuts, increase illegal/legal immigration, and promote/sponsor sectors with government money. Democrats will make it a requirement to have X service/product,.increase illegal/legal immigration quotas, and give money to their own industry sectors. They each are the biggest arm dealers. They all invest into industries they're voting to increase and governemnt fund. Two sides of the same corrupted system. Anyone still caught into Muh Democraps or Republicunts is a straight up NPC.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    that was a big one..... so yeah, and it's permanent, so yeah
     
  3. Roelath

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    That's all you care about... NPC brain.
     
  4. Endeavor

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    I see how you getting your medical degree .. from YouTube video.

    You vote for Trump or another GOP will not make any difference. Result will be the same. Republican will not win election.

    This is the trends going for republican since 2017

    GOP lost special election in 2017

    GOP lost Mid-term election in 2018

    GOP Lost Presidential election in 2020

    GOP lost special election in 2021 and lost 2 Senate position in ruby red state in GA.

    GOP lost Senate and to GOV in mid-term 2022 election. Red wave became oh well.

    GOP lost special election in 2023 – In Wisconsin

    GOP Lost special election ( Issue 1) in Ohio in 2023
     
  5. Shutcie

    Shutcie Newly Registered Donor

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    Its good that you can keep repeating yourself.
    It shows that your memory is intact.
     
  6. gfm7175

    gfm7175 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I would. Anything other than Trump is a loss, whether the person has an R or a D next to their name.

    Even more recently, it happened in 1992 when Ross Perot ran a "second party" campaign which resulted in the election of Bill Clinton.

    Neither am I.

    Yup, I'm no fan of Woodrow Wilson.

    If he DOESN'T get the Republican nomination, and doesn't win a "second party" run, then I will most definitely get "my wish" of BUST. The only "good" result (policy wise) is a Trump win, but there will likely be civil war in this nation no matter who "wins" in 2024. It's gonna be a bumpy ride regardless.
     
  7. JohnHamilton

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    So the fate of whole world, or at least the United States rests on whether or not Donald Trump is elected president. WOW!

    There is no "savior" who is great, but there sure are some losers who could make things a lot worse.

    If he wins, what are we going to do in fours years? He will be barred from running then and will getting well into his 80s.
     
  8. Shutcie

    Shutcie Newly Registered Donor

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    Mark this spot.
    Neither trump or biden will be on the 2024 ballot.
    Pick someone else.
    I pick Nikki Haley.
     
  9. JohnHamilton

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    I hope you are right. I have a strong feeling that Biden won’t be around. Trump will be much harder to displace. His fans won’t realize the truth until he loses again, this time by a bigger margin if his opponent isn’t Biden.

    I don’t want the Democrats to win, but Trump is their best hope. His negatives are huge.
     
  10. Bowerbird

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    Is this the same Biden that is manipulating the system “to take down Trump” who masterminded stealing the 2020 lection and who has orchestrated secret business deals with Ukraine and China?
     
  11. Shutcie

    Shutcie Newly Registered Donor

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    You won't find me claiming any of those things except the business deals with Ukraine and china, and those were spearheaded by hunter.

    Try again.
     
  12. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Donor

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    To be able to see any hypocrisy, I would like to be presented with more information about what the situation was when the requirement was put in place, and what its original purpose was at that time.

    With all the Democrats going after him, it doesn't serve Trump's interests for there to be a Democrat president again, so in terms of just self-interest you would think he would want to throw his support to whatever Republican candidate wins the primary.
     
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  13. JohnHamilton

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    If you have older parents, you would understand. My mother was an articulate person. She was an excellent teacher who changed the lives of many of her students. She read many books, and did so until she was into her late 80s.

    Then dementia set in. She lost the ability to find the words to form sentences, and then she could not speak at all. She seemed unable to understand what was going on around her. It was very hard to see, but it was what was happening. She was like that for over two years.

    Biden is in the same position. Six or eight years ago, he had his faculties. Now he's becoming a shell of a person before our eyes. If you were not desperate to keep the Democrats in power, you would be able to admit it.
     
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    Why would you care if Trump signed the loyalty pledge or not, you'd never vote for Trump or any republican anyway?
     
  15. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'm an indy and would vote for a Republican. I never voted for Oh Bummer and am not a great fan of his, nor did I vote for Cankles (or Trump) in 2016. I didn't vote for either major party in general prior to Trump revealing himself to be an acute threat to our democracy and way of life.
     
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  16. JohnHamilton

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    Trump would really only be a threat if he had a large number of well armed people around him who could take over the government. He doesn't have that.
     
  17. Shutcie

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    The disinformation on all things trump continues.
     
  18. fmw

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    I agree. The DNC won't allow a Biden nomination and Trump will lose the primary election. As appealing as Nikki is she won't be the nominee either.
     
  19. Shutcie

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    So, tell us, @fmw, who would you pick if you had to choose today?
     
  20. gfm7175

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    Here, you are erroneously attempting to replace my reasonable argument with a hyperbolically absurd one. I made no such hyperbolic claims... I said, and I quote: "Anything other than Trump is a loss, whether the person has an R or a D next to their name." IOW, anything other than Trump is a continuation of the corrupt elitist globalist status quo (e.g. pro- "eat the bugs", pro-warmongering, pro-Wall Street rich elite, anti-manufacturing/working class, etc...) ... Ergo, "a loss".

    There is no savior other than Jesus Christ, but there is one candidate for President who is representing my anti- "eat the bugs", anti-warmongering, anti-Wall Street rich elite, pro-manufacturing/working class interests (Donald Trump), and then there are a whole slew of other candidates who are not representing my interests. To me, the choice is clear.

    There's one 'winner' who will subvert the status quo (good), and there's a whole bunch of 'losers' who will continue the status quo (bad).

    Support a candidate who isn't beholden by rich donors who would continue his policies.

    Yup. This is the "Return of the Jedi". After this, Trump can still play a big role from the sidelines.
     
  21. JohnHamilton

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    I would take that is a statement that for you, it's Trump or nobody. In the past you have said that you would stay home if Trump does not get the nomination. To me that is the same as voting for whatever reprobate the Democrats nominate.

    As Bill Buckley once said, "Getting half a loaf is better than getting no loaf at all."
     
  22. gfm7175

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    That's correct. "Trump or bust".

    I would still turn out to vote, but I would write in Trump's name instead of voting for a party's nominee.

    That line of thinking makes sense under your assumption that whatever reprobate the DNC chooses for liberal voters is significantly worse than whatever reprobate the RNC would choose for conservative voters if they wouldn't allow conservative voters to choose Trump.

    However, that line of thinking doesn't make sense under my assumption that the DNC and RNC ultimately play for the same elitist globalist Deep State team that abhors We The People as "useless eaters" (or as DeSanctimonious recently referred to We The People, "listless vessels").

    Hillary Clinton: "deplorables"
    Ron! DeSaster: "listless vessels"

    Is there really any difference between the two regarding how "beneath the elite" We The People are viewed by them? Uniparty... Uniparty... Uniparty... Uniparty... Uniparty...

    Ergo, Trump 2024 or bust.

    Under my view, there is no "half a loaf". Trump has a full loaf... all other candidates sometimes offer table scraps whenever they aren't dangling a carrot around to distract people.
     
  23. gfm7175

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    They've already allowed it once, so I don't see why they wouldn't allow it again. They seem to like Biden, actually. With that said, they do have Gavin Newsom on the bench and are starting to let him perform some warm up pitches, so we'll see.

    The primary?? Trump has effectively no chance of losing the primary outside of the RNC refusing to allow him to be a candidate, but that's Uniparty corruption, not losing. I'd also argue that Trump is the ONLY R-candidate who has any chance at winning the general election (for two reasons, which sort of go hand in hand). 1) The massive size of the Trump-only vote. 2) The vital-to-the-nomination "Rust Belt" region that "professionally Republican" candidates cannot win outside of low voter/ballot turnout, and that Trump can and has won (and had frauded away from him in 2020).

    Take a look at county by county results maps of Wisconsin sometime and see if you can note any similarities in the coloring of the counties between these two groups of people:

    1) 1980/1984 Ronald Reagan, 2010/2016/2022 Ron Johnson (senate), 2016/(2020 fraud) Donald Trump

    2) 1988 George HW Bush, 2012/2018 Tommy Thompson/Leah Vukmir (senate), 2012 Mitt Romney

    Notice how Group #1 consistently wins in the Western and Northern areas of the State and notice how Group #2 consistently loses in those areas? Hmmmmm, what's the difference between #1 and #2?? Yup, that's right, #1 is populist candidates and #2 is "professionally Republican" candidates.

    Appealing to WHO? The corrupt Intelligence apparatus? Certainly not to me...
     
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    Unfortunately, they will both likely get their party nominations. We are headed for a Biden v Trump rematch. It sucks, but that's what we are likely in for. Even if Trump is in prison at the time (which I'm not saying is likely), he will still be that party's pick, and the Dems aren't even really running anyone against Biden.
     
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    Because in 2020 he hadn't screwed up the presidency yet.

    I see no hope for him. He is toxic and the republicans know it. Try to ignore the polls and apply common sense to the situation.

    I don't think any of them can beat Newsom but any of them can beat Biden. It is a scary notion for me but it is what I believe. Newsom will be worse than Biden because he has all of his woke faculties.

    Appealing to conservatives. She won't win the primary but that doesn't mean she wouldn't be a good president. She was a good governor.
     
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