Trump says Jerusalem is the capital of Israel

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  1. PeppermintTwist

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    Noooo...its called pointing out disgusting hypocrisy and the most un-Christian sentiments carried around by phonies and self-serving lying rat bastards.
     
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    Don't know what "Bible Thumping" he's done lately...perhaps that means he believes the Bible? How is he a hypocrite? I dunno, seems to me you hold spite that he Christian at all.
    Do you have any spite for Muslims? or do they have a special place in your heart.
     
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    What is Obama's religion?
     
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    Link to this poll?
     
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    i really hated pushing the "like" button, but .....

    this armaggedon bs the fundies are pushinh could become a self fulfilling prophecy. they will not be happy until the mosque (a world heritage site) is destroyed, the temple rebuilt, and animal sacrifice practiced like a cult of voodoo savages who should be locked up by the spca.
     
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    Israel was a country for about 70 years.. For most of its history it was a vassal state within the province of Syria-Palestine..
     
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    He's not particularly religious.. He's agnostic.. hardly a fundamentalist or evangelical. Are you?

    The interpretation of Revelation as futuristic (or literal) is fairly new and was promoted by the Darby Brethern and Cyrus Scofield.

    Do you know anything about either?
     
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    Some Iranian extremists say that. ISIS, Al Qaeda, and other Islamic extremists say that.

    Are you saying all the followers of Islam say that? Seems so.

    I would imagine you support Roy Moore for the U.S. Senate. You already support an admitted sexual predator for President.

    We must never allow people like you to chose our President again.
     
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    There is an element of truth to what you say. However, you are ignoring the fact that the vast majority of Muslims are trying desperately to escape the Middle Ages. Unfortunately, people like you and Trump are discouraging that effort and wish to make the followers of Islam the enemy.

    There are many parts of the Bible that should not be taken seriously.
     
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    I condemn Moore and Trump for their sexual harassment - neither should be in office due to that, of course.
    No, NOT ALL Muslims say "death to America" - and "all Muslims" is never the criteria for determining if the Islamic texts are evil or not. But polls do indeed show that a very DISTURBING percentage of Muslims have similar sentiment, due to their support of barbaric Sharia Law - which is of course mutually exclusive to freedom/democracy and religious and gay/women's rights.

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    83% of Pakistanis support stoning adulterers
    78% of Pakistanis support killing apostates
    http://www.realcourage.org/2009/08/pakistan-78-percent-call-for-apostate-deaths/

    NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam;
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
    http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

    MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory)
    http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/strong-support-for-shariah-in-canada
    http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much...new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/

    Islam, Human Rights and Public Opinion (Durie refers to 2006 poll): 58% of Indonesians believe adulterers should be stoned to death.
    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2016/08/slaughter-silence-open-secret/

    World Public Opinion: 81% of Egyptians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
    76% of Pakistanis want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
    49% (plurality) of Indonesians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
    76% of Moroccans want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
    http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf

    World Public Opinion: 64% of Egyptians said it was “very important for the government” to “apply traditional punishments for crimes such as stoning adulterers.”
    http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf

    Pew Research (2010): 77% of Egyptian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
    58% of Jordanian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
    82% of Pakistanis favor floggings and amputation
    65% of Nigerian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
    http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

    Pew Research (2010): 82% of Egyptian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
    70% of Jordanian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
    82% of Pakistanis favor stoning adulterers
    56% of Nigerian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
    http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

    Pew Research (2013): 72% of Indonesians want Sharia to be law of the land
    http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/seventy-two-percent-of-indonesians-favor-shariah-law-pew-forum/

    Pew Research (2013): 81% of South Asian Muslims and 57% of Egyptians support amputating limbs for theft.
    http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFil...ims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

    Pew Research (2013): According to an interpretation of this study, approximately 45% of Sharia supporters surveyed disagreed with the idea that Islamic law should apply only to Muslims.
    http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFil...ims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

    Economist (Pew 2013): 74% who favor Islamic law in Egypt say it should apply to non-Muslims as well.
    http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2013/04/daily-chart-20?fsrc=scn/tw/te/dc/Shariadolikeit

    WZB Berlin Social Science Center: 65% of Muslims in Europe say Sharia is more important than the law of the country they live in.
    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4092/europe-islamic-fundamentalism

    The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 51% of Muslim-Americans say that Muslims should have the choice of being judged by Sharia courts rather than courts of the United States (39% disagree).
    http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy....nline-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf

    2015 (Jyllands Posten): 77% of Muslims in Denmark believe the Quran's instructions should be 'fully appied'.
    http://www.thelocal.dk/20151013/danish-muslims-more-devout-than-in-years-past

    2015 (Jyllands Postn): Only 53% of Danish Muslims believe Danish law should be based on the consitution and not the Quran.
    http://www.thelocal.dk/20151019/forty-percent-danish-muslims-wants-quran-based-laws

    Pew Research (2016): A majority of Muslims in 10 countries favor basing laws on the Quran (inc. Pakistan, Pal. Auth, Malaysia, Jordan, Senegal, Nigeria, Indonesia, Lebanon and Turkey). Educated Muslims also favored Sharia, including 55% in 'secular Turkey'.
    http://www.pewglobal.org/2016/04/27/the-divide-over-islam-and-national-laws-in-the-muslim-world/
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/04/majority_of_educated_muslims_abroad_still_favor
    _imposition_of_sharia_law.html

    Arab Observatory of Religions and Freedom (2016): 79% of Libyans believe Sharia should be the sole source of legislation, as do 63% in Algeria and 60% in Morocco.
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...ntries-providing-major-source-of-eu-migrants/

    Africa Jeune - Arab Observatory of Religions and Freedom (2016): Most Muslims in North Africa say they are Muslim first and citizens second. This is a principle source for migrants to Europe.
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...ntries-providing-major-source-of-eu-migrants/

    University of Munster Study (2016):. 73% say that books and movies which offend religion should be banned.
    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8321/germany-turks-integration

    Syarif Hidayatullah State University Study (2017): 80% of Islamic education teachers favor enforcement of Sharia (in Indonesia); 89% say non-Sunni religious minorities "should not be accomodated" in Indonesia.
    http://www.voanews.com/a/majority-o...-in-indonesia-support-sharia-law/3652387.html

    Gallup Pakistan & Gilani Research (2017): 67% of Pakistanis want Sharia as the only law of the land (up from 51% in 2010); Only 5% said that Sharia should not be imposed.
    https://www.wionews.com/south-asia/two-out-of-three-pakistanis-favour-sharia-survey-16362

    A 2015 study by Pew Research Center showed that only 28% of Pakistanis had an unfavorable view of ISIS.
    [ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ant-muslim-populations-much-disdain-for-isis/ ]
     
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    Roy Moore is as much of an extremist as, almost, the TALIBAN is! The, uh, "moore" people believe the Bible/Qur'an, the more worse of a human being they become. For example, the more a person believes that the "flood" is actually true, the more they are approving of genocide of virtually all humans, and unlike even Hitler, the genocide of virtually all (innocent) animals! Savagery.
     
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    Agreed! Then too bad Christians don't have the moral courage, nor the love of their impressionable young children, to IMPROVE said book.
     
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    I can't believe how low your standards are - they are CERTAINLY NOT "trying desperately to escape the Middle Ages" if they still give their children a book, from "the ultimate authority" no less (Allah!), that approves of slavery, killing gays, death to apostates, saying women are stupid (Q4:34, and Q2:282, etc.), crucify as punishment (Q5:33), etc., etc., etc. !! I can't believe your low standards!! You need to expect more from people - hold them to the same standards that Modern Secular Humanists hold ourselves.
     
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    If they won't condemn Q8:39, then they ARE the enemy!
     
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    WTF!? THEY ARE RIOTING, HUNDREDS INJURED, 1 DEATH, and are not being fully condemned by the "moderate" Muslims enough (they condemn TRUMP more than the rioting Muslims!) No. it seems that they certainly are trying to drag us BACK to the Middle Ages!! Mohammad is the perfect example for conduct for all time, their texts teach, so we'll always have problems with Muslims.
     
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    Within hours after Trump made his momentous decision, a declaration that Jerusalem was the capital of Israel, I wrote this. People are going to die because of the decision made by Trump today.

    The violence is only starting. How long it will continue is anyone's guess. CNN reports, "Jerusalem (CNN)Palestinian protesters and Israeli security forces clashed Friday in Jerusalem and the West Bank amid heightened tensions in the region and elsewhere over US President Donald Trump's decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

    "A 30-year-old Palestinian was shot and killed during clashes in eastern Gaza, Palestinian Authority's Ministry of Health said, with more than 300 people injured across the West Bank, Gaza and Jerusalem."

    It gets worse. The Independent is reporting, "Israel's military said its aircraft bombed militant targets in Gaza and the Palestinian Health Ministry said at least 14 people were wounded in the strikes, including a number of children.

    "Reports on the number of injured ranged from 14 to 25 people, with one report saying six children were wounded.

    "The Israeli military said it had carried out the strikes on a Hamas training camp and on a weapons depot in response to rockets fired earlier from Gaza at Israeli towns. Witnesses told Reuters that most of the wounded were residents of a building near the camp."

    Either Israeli pilots are very poor at what they do or the casualties are being under-reported.

    This violence is a direct result of Trump's regrettable decision.

    Sources: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ests-trump-injured-news-updates-a8100311.html
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/08/middleeast/jerusalem-trump-friday-prayers-protests-intl/index.html
     
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    WTF? Did you expect the Palestinians, Hamas, Hezbollah, Egyptians, Jordanians, Saudis, Iraqis, and Iranians would be happy with Trump's careless decision. The violence is a direct result of Trump's extremely unpopular decision impacting these peoples' lives, and you blame them for protesting???

    You are a Trump supporter alright. Only a Trump supporter would think like that. I would suppose you blame the U.S. navy for retaliating against the Japanese for Pearl Harbor. Same reasoning.

    Who cast the first stone.
     
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    As a result of that post I understand you a bit better. Up until now I have been confused about whose side you are on.
     
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    Which only goes to prove what an idiot Trump is. “I have determined that it is time to officially recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel,” Trump said.

    Those words sparked more violence in the Middle East. It is anyone' guess as to when that will subside.
     
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    Hasn't Jerusalem been the capital for the Jews for several thousand years? What's wrong with recognizing a biblical fact?

    Why does the left stand against Israel when it is the only worthy state in the middle east?
    Why does the left support the bastions of terrorism rather then a bastion of democracy?
    Why is Muslim wailing suddenly noticed when it has never stopped.
    Why is it that the Muslims attack Israel with rockets and terrorism and all we hear is silence, but when Israel retaliates, they're the evil warmongers

    The problem isn't with Trump and the Israeli's; the problem is with the left wingers and the Islamic terrorists.
     
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    Here's something in such simple English that even our left wing comrades should be able to understand:

    Moving the Embassy to Jerusalem sends a message to the world that Obama and his policies are gone and that Trumps America stands by those who stand by America.

    Nothing has changed in the middle east - the Palestinians and the rest of the Muslim world are doing what they do every day - act out and plan how to screw anyone who gets in the way of their particular machinations. They're all back stabbers with no moral values or honor.

    Egypt and Saudi Arabia are making the requisite noises, but they know - in part because of this move - that Trump will be a very strong ally and a good freind to have in their conflicts with Iran.

    Every time Trump scratches his arse, the left wing carries on like it's the end of the world. The left is like a child having a tantrum - after a while it's all background noise.
     
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    I challenge you to find me ONE practicing muslim that says that even SOME of the words of mohammad can be dismissed.

    Such as:
    Surah 9:29 "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
     
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    Cats meow, dogs bark, Muslims riot.
     
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    It's not yours
     
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