TRUMP SCIENCE ADVISOR DENIES APOLLO MOON LANDINGS EVER HAPPENED

No problem. You're ignorant of the whole scenario, so your opinion is worthless.

Idiotic way to put it. At ZENITH the local surface temperature gets up to that temperature. The rest of the side facing the Sun most certainly does not. Right there goes your stupid claim.

I certainly don't expect somebody of your calibre to understand any of this. Bean wasn't totally wrong. At ZENITH the entire craft is in sunlight, including the windows. That is when it gets hot. There are no surfaces to conduct to and radiate to shaded area. Even the area under the LM will have significant temperature, from radiation. Weisbecker is a moron.

Listen troll. I showed a diagram of the multiple layers of insulation. You also cowardly avoided explaining how the 0.05 emissivity will heat the next layer in and onwards. Your claim is provable hogwash.

Yes you can, you can get orthogonal and constant and then you can get angled and intermittent. The latter was the case.

The roll gives all heated panels the chance to radiate back in to space. On a round surface only a small section receives direct sunlight, at least 50% radiates back into space. The CSM has also many layers of thermal insulation.

Usually to keep line of sight/signal!

Yes it would. Nobody dropped any balls. Just ignorant people like you spout hogwash.

Yes. Your ignorance and ability to read. I explained it to you and you ignored it.

Now troll, why are you such a coward? Answer these:-


1. Tell us all how a supposedly 250F crumpled layer of Mylar or Kapton, emitting 0.05 of its heat, manages to bring up the layer next to it, to a similar temperature. Then add the required number of more layers as per the specification.Update Explain how 4 single layers in, plus 1 multi layer outside of it, it even gets to that temperature.
2. Answered finally!!
3. Point me to Al Bean's thermal engineering training in a 1955 degree.
4. How long exactly are you claiming it will be before the oxygen interior reaches maximum temperature? Provide figures.
5. How do unmanned satellites and other vehicles keep cool in space for years?

 

I know you are - but what am I?

That is because he is totally right!

 

Maybe. And certainly not until the windows are exposed. But since you keep avoiding the points made, your claim is vague. Bean said slowly but surely, that implies a gradual increase. That won't happen, the shielding though not perfect would never allow any significant IR through.

He said he walked on the Moon. He said he saw flashes of light in his retina whilst on route to the Moon. Is this where you do your coward bit and call him a liar!

Now troll, quantify your claim:-


1. Tell us all how a supposedly 250F crumpled layer of Mylar or Kapton, emitting 0.05 of its heat, manages to bring up the layer next to it, to a similar temperature. Then add the required number of more layers as per the specification.Update Explain how 4 single layers in, plus 1 multi layer outside of it, it even gets to that temperature.
2. Answered finally!!
3. Point me to Al Bean's thermal engineering training in a 1955 degree.
4. How long exactly are you claiming it will be before the oxygen interior reaches maximum temperature? Provide figures.
5. How do unmanned satellites and other vehicles keep cool in space for years?

Yet again you pretty much ignored my whole post.

 

I guess Alan Bean is wrong and you are right. If the shielding is not perfect doesn't that mean that some energy gets through to the LM? and wouldn't even small amounts cause the temperature to increase?

Alan Bean is a very brave hero as are all the astronauts - but he is also ex-military and he followed his orders. If the President of the United States asks you to do a favor for him what are you going to do? I'm sure all the astronauts were convinced that what they did was for the good of the country - but was it?

Water currents would explain some of the phenomenon that we see here with the flag and particle movements. Every large pool that I have seen has pumps and filters. Water is pumped out and back into the pool and this creates currents. I think this is what we are seeing in the Chinese spacewalk video.

 

Maybe it would increase slightly to a comfortable hot room. The big increase comes when the Sun hits the windows. It's not something I have a hard opinion on, I don't have enough data. It would not get up to maximum through shielding leakage.

Pathetic answer. Which President? Order to commit deliberate fraud is something HBs may be comfortable with. It's another straw man! They all took part in the greatest ever human achievement. The manned Apollo program encompassed 10 missions. So vague and evasive are HBs that they never detail what occurred and when. There is no fully consistent and workable explanation for how everything was supposedly faked.

Water currents in a pool cause PEOPLE to be moved about. It most certainly does not comport with the perfectly still astronauts.

I really don't care, this seems a waste of time. You see bubbles when it's a flat piece of debris or ice. You see the flag moving and think it would do that in water, at the speeds we see and with frequent flag motion side on to the direction of movement. It's obvious you are wrong, I can't understand how you cannot know this.

 

As I've said before, this thread is turning out to be a good study of the art of sophistry.

 

Couldn't the speed of the video be selectively altered to provide the sped up effect? In fact we have evidence of just such manipulation in this video at about the 4:00 mark:

 

Try not to keep saying things spammer. Pretty much all you ever say can be categorised as a lie, a quoted piece of dishonesty. repetition and bullcrap.

 

What do you think you are doing now? You altered your view to dismiss the speed issue based on the Philippine flag nonsense. Easily debunked. Now you are back to this equally ludicrous speed nonsense.

The same issues raised before and unanswered, still apply!! The flag moves SIDE on without drag numerous times. Even when slowed to ridiculously obvious 25% there are still many movements that are too quick. That 4 minute mark shows a tiny 2 second section of slower video.

 

The Neutral Buoyancy Simulator was a neutral buoyancy pool located at NASA's George C. Marshall Space Flight Center (MSFC).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutral_Buoyancy_Simulator

The water within the simulator was temperature controlled, continuously recirculated and filtered.

They are not perfectly still and why do they never let go?

 

[QUOTE="Descartes]The water within the simulator was temperature controlled, continuously recirculated and filtered.[/quote]

Anyone who has been to a pool knows that these things cause barely a ripple to the millions of gallons being circulated. If you put your hand near one you can feel a current, but away from it nothing!

They aren't being pushed around by the magic current that spews out of the hatch! They never let go?? Why would they? So what!

Item 8: http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/chinese-spacewalks-part-1.html?m=1

 

You must not go to pools much or you would know this is not true. We are not talking about ripples or waves - we are talking about currents that can move things around in the water.

They never let go because then the current flow would be obvious...

 

This is quite ridiculous. You are now attempting to suggest that the small water currents that circulate water in pools are strong enough to displace all the "bubbles" seen, that in turn almost all exit the craft hatch! In addition to these pieces of debris that fly off in random directions, we see a piece of paper also going "upwards"!

You originally claimed that these water currents were used to support buoyancy:-

That is as stupid a statement as even you have made!

I spoke too soon. Just as stupid. If water was making them rise in neutral buoyancy(ridiculous), then their feet would rise. If this magical current can lift a 250lb man in water, it can sure lift the parts not hanging on. Explain, or cowardly avoid.

 

A 250lb man in water does not weigh 250lb because of the buoyant effect of the water; in fact, a 250lb man could weigh almost nothing in water. I don't know exactly how the Chicoms did this because I wasn't there - but it is obviously a fake to anyone who closely examines the evidence.

 

Of course you don't. They opened the hatch in orbit and exited to weightless space. Careful with your disgusting derogatory reference.

It is obviously not a fake to anyone who examines the evidence. To ignorant conspiracy fools, everything is fake because they never need to explain how it was done.

So far your "evidence" consists of multiple pieces of debris including a piece of paper all exiting the hatch at a whole variety of speeds and directions. None of that is consistent with these objects being bubbles.

Your next step is to conclude that water currents are doing this. A quite ludicrous contention, since why would they have currents exiting the hatch? You claimed the astronauts are held level by water currents, which is just stupid. Neutral buoyancy is achieved by weights. To compound your stupid claim you then quoted the neutral buoyancy page to show that they rotate water in the pool!

The next piece of your evidence shows a flag behaving in impossible ways for water. Open and side on to direction of movement is impossible in water. You even blundered into a video that demonstrated this. Slowed down video shows that the flag is still moving too quick, looks 100% obviously slow motion and does not edit into normal speed video.

The final part which hasn't had much discussion is the cable movement. Quite obviously it is shape memory. The cable will try to assume the shape in which it was formed in or has adapted to. If you take a spring and bend it, it will move back. The same principal is in effect. It takes only a tiny force in weightless space to make any movement.

What other evidence is there? This whole conspiracy was started on YouTube by a guy who knows Apollo and 911 were not conspiracies. Big irony.

 

There are plausible scenarios that would explain why he would say that. Maybe he hasn't seen the crushing proof that the moon missions were faked and that 9/11 was an inside job*. Maybe he's afraid to say what he really thinks as Chomsky and Klein are and Zinn was.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...rt-the-official-story.514874/#post-1068033577


*
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...andings-ever-happened.512081/#post-1067871432
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...orted-9-11-terrorists.456423/#post-1066183060

 

The periods of time where you go quiet almost resemble an attempt by you to get a life. Sadly the overwhelming need to spam your repeat links, pulls you back in.

There is zero crushing proof. You have no credibility, you are dishonest, evasive and use dirty tricks to avoid rebuttal. Your whole wall of spam has been dismantled and you just ignored it all.

http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/?m=1

You are like the Black Knight, impervious to logic or reason, you would be ejected from the debating hall for gross ignorance and incompetence. You're not even any good at sophistry.

As for your latest crap about plausible strawmen, your prime credibility test, it is the height of stupidity and is an example of total ignorance. Your whole case rests on 3 things that all prove they were in space. You ignored all 3 prime arguments on these.

 

If you're shown to be wrong on just one or two of your attempts at sophistry, there's no sense in doing the rest of it.

http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=1145.0

http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=993.15
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The best pro-official version sophists – you included – have said some pretty lame things which show that they don't even believe their own arguments.
http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=1118.15

All that remains to do is keep you from burying the info. You can jump up and down and scream that you won all you want. Your success rate at swaying the viewers is close to zero and that's the only thing that matters.

 

Wow. That is a full admission of the evasive behaviour you routinely exhibit. The irony is that you haven't shown me to be wrong, you link to two threads where you get your sorry ass handed to you yet again! Your pathetic observations on Michael Collins in space culminated in you saying something like:-

"If it turns out he was weightless he was on the vomit comet"

I have to stifle my amusement at your idiotic back peddling. You also said this:-

I will leave you with just the two comments from my videos, made by the user youtube and forum spammer Cosmored.....

"Collins' jacket corner bounces up and down the way it would in gravity"

Then in reply to my video showing the puffed up back and shoulders of his jacket:....

"In zero-G the jacket would be bouncing up and down on his back if it were loose"

To anybody with rationale, logical thought, with even mild powers of discernement, I would say that fairly conclusively closes the door on that little piece of the "mountain of evidence".

Translation: I will just keep spamming.

None of the viewers agree with you. Your assessment of my success rate is based on bias and ignorance, therefore it is dismissed. The only thing that matters is truth. To you that is irrelevant, you already made up that puny mind without weighing all the evidence.

Just to add. This very disturbed person was making this identical inept argument 10 years ago and has been trying to convince people of it ever since. That is pretty close to a definition of madness. There is not a single argument or rebuttal point he will even listen to.

 

Not that really needed it, but Betamax has swayed me quite well ... you can see that he is quite knowledgeable in physics and mechanics ... I would venture to say that he has an advanced degree in a science discipline ...

You?... YouTube disciple that posts dishonest videos on many forums ... watching you lose and/or fail to respond to legitimate facts is somewhat amusing though ...

 

dammit ... I was trying to quote Scott and his "swaying viewers" BS ... posting from my phone ...

 

So you think an educated person doesn't realize that a 250lb man doesn't weigh the same in water? Or is he just trying real hard to obfuscate the situation?

 

An educated person knows that his inertia hasn't changed! His mass is the same. It takes a quite breathtakingly useless person to think that neutral buoyancy is achieved by circulatory currents.

 

People can read the debate on the bouncing jacket corner here...
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...missions-were-faked-in-a-studio.190138/page-2

...and decide for themselves.


Betamax evaded the issue I was raising on this thread because the anomaly was too clear to obfuscate.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...obviously-in-a-studio.362999/#post-1064030792