TRUMP SCIENCE ADVISOR DENIES APOLLO MOON LANDINGS EVER HAPPENED

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  1. Betamax101

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    Small areas are perfectly feasible to be dust free. We don't see this on any footage.

    How does this grey sand arrive for the unknown number of workers to barrow it?
     
  2. Descartes

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    Forget all this sand nonsense - the real question here is - how does an astronaut with pressurized gloves on - use duct tape to mend a red hot 500 degree fender on the moon?

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    Another idiotic sidestep and no acknowledging the huge list of mistakes you've come up with!

    The "red hot" fender had broken off He was taping maps together and then clamping them using items from the optical telescope. Google it, learn something.

    What idiotic reason is there to continue this "hoax" into a 6th landing and inventing a story about the damn fender!

    The suit was pressurised at 4 psi. The gauntlets had 2 layers. The inner layer was rubber and pressurised. The outer layer was not. Another unoriginal claim, coming from the cretin Ralph René.

    Tell me something Troll, since you referred to the Black body constant, how do you get the figure for 500 degrees?
     
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  4. Descartes

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    I was just going by the red fender on my Chevy :smile:
     
  5. Scott

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    The issue I'm raising here isn't about the footage. It's simply about whether it's possible to transport and place large-grained dust-free sand without causing enough erosion to create enough dust to cause a dust cloud when the sand is driven over.

    Read what the pro-Apollo posters at Clavius* said.
    http://apollohoax.proboards.com/thread/1094

    http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=1118.15
    (see posts #25 and #26)

    http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8135606&postcount=7907

    So do you think those posters at Clavius are right when they say it's impossible to transport and place large-grained dust-free sand without causing enough erosion to create enough dust to cause a dust cloud when the sand is driven over?


    I think the credibility of the Clavius site is a pretty important Apollo-related issue. I've seen a lot of cases on forums in which the pro-Apollo poster's rebuttals are quotes from "Experts" at the Clavius forum. I think it's important to make sure everybody knows that they are experts alright but they are experts that have sold out and are getting paid to lie.

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    I've seen "apollohoax.net" referred to as "the Clavius forum" quite often. I call "apollohoax.net" "the Clavius forum" to make sure everone knows what I'm referring to.
     
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  6. Betamax101

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    Transported how? If you truck it, no. The loading, unloading and vibration will create dust from friction. It is 100% inevitable.

    Small areas with carefully moved sand washed in situ would be dust free. We never see this.

    A total butt kicking on all 3 threads. Some of the comments just sum it up totally. You ignored them.

    Number 1
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    So are you saying it's impossible to make dustless sand and place it along a route so that no dust is kicked up when it's driven on?

    Yes. And I'm further agreeing that the material in the Grand Prix video clearly cannot be sand, for it is visibly impressible. And since you are the one proposing that a dustless impressible particulate was created and used for this purpose, it is your burden of proof to show that it can be done and that it was in fact done.

    You need to get a serious grip. You're not proposing anything remotely rational. You're simply supposing that some previously unknown material exists that somehow magically has all the properties you need in order for your alternative theory to be true. You can't salvage an absurd theory simply by listing all the improbable things that would have to change in order for it no longer to be absurd, and then on that basis simply say that list must have happened.

    You're clearly ideologically entrenched on this issue and now simply grasping at straws.
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    Number 2

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    So are you saying it's impossible to make dustless sand and place it along a route so that no dust is kicked up when it's driven on?

    Yes. And I'm further agreeing that the material in the Grand Prix video clearly cannot be sand, for it is visibly impressible. And since you are the one proposing that a dustless impressible particulate was created and used for this purpose, it is your burden of proof to show that it can be done and that it was in fact done.

    You need to get a serious grip. You're not proposing anything remotely rational. You're simply supposing that some previously unknown material exists that somehow magically has all the properties you need in order for your alternative theory to be true. You can't salvage an absurd theory simply by listing all the improbable things that would have to change in order for it no longer to be absurd, and then on that basis simply say that list must have happened.

    You're clearly ideologically entrenched on this issue and now simply grasping at straws.
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    As for the Internationalskeptic thread, I like this response. It shows your blatant dishonesty!
    http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8135828&postcount=7915

    Yes. You are quite crazy if you think your opinion carries any weight. Answer the two points above that you previously ignored!

    Their credibility is fine, they aren't lying and they are experts. YOU have no credibility, routinely lie and are completely ignorant on every aspect of Apollo.

    Your straw man is the pinnacle of irrelevance. We simply do not see dust free environments on any footage.
     
  7. Betamax101

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    Number 2 above should read

    "Actually "those geologists" told you that your theory was crazy. You got one geologist to tell you you could wash and sift sand and then transport it in bulk without generating new dust, but he didn't say how. Nor did he explain where he managed to get such experience in the transportation of sifted, milled aggregates.

    When I go to those threads I don't see the hales of agreement you claim."

    All academic of course, the completely irrational serial forum spammer will ignore them.
     
  8. Descartes

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    Well, I have to admit that these nasa engineers certainly seem to know what they are doing - I wonder how much money this "fender repair" cost the taxpayers?

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    Thinly veiled sarcasm from the troll. Fender parts are thin on the ground on the Moon. That is one of those publicity pictures. I can't imagine half a dozen men being stretched to find a solution. Something flexible and strong enough then tape, then something to hold it in place.

    If you want to debate economics, knock yourself out. Apollo created half a million jobs. The knock on effect from full employment for those people combined with the innovations from the program, created whole industries.

    https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&s...ZCMEQFggiMAE&usg=AOvVaw1FetilDocHiDzEA4ED6nz2

    https://www.computerworld.com/artic...-s-apollo-technology-has-changed-history.html
     
  10. Scott

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    This goes against Jay Windley's position. So do you admit that he's wrong when he says it's impossible?
     
  11. PatriotNews

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    So funny you guys got burned!

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    Show me exactly where he says creating a small area that is carefully washed, is impossible!

    You have no answer to any of the REAL issue points. A truther would be concerned about that. You are just a dishonest spammer.
     
  13. Scott

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    He said it's impossible, period. The viewers can see what he said.

    http://apollohoax.proboards.com/thread/1094
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    So are you saying it's impossible to make dustless sand and place it along a route so that no dust is kicked up when it's driven on?

    Yes. And I'm further agreeing that the material in the Grand Prix video clearly cannot be sand, for it is visibly impressible. And since you are the one proposing that a dustless impressible particulate was created and used for this purpose, it is your burden of proof to show that it can be done and that it was in fact done.
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    Your misrepresenting his position isn't going to fool any viewers who take the time to read what he and the other pro-Apollo posters at the Clavius forum said.
     
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    Can they? I agree with him. The transportation creates friction that creates dust.

    MY interpretation is that a small area is possible. With carefully placed sand, thoroughly washed and carefully raked to remove the flatness from water.

    Now spammer, show me where you asked him that!

    I am not in the slightest way misrepresenting his position. YOU are! He was asked about transporting aggregate. He answered it. The viewers can see the engineer expert and a whole host of other knowledgeable people kicking your ignorant butt.

    None of what you claim is what occurs in the Apollo footage. You are not a truther, you are a lying deceitful spammer.
     
  15. Descartes

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    The fender is going to be hot. We know the lunar regolith if very abrasive. The tires are made of metal and as they spin and slide on the lunar surface the friction is going to heat them up even hotter than the 250 degrees they would be stationary. This energy is going to radiate up to the fender. We also have radiant heat from the lunar surface itself as well as frictional energy from the regolith hitting the fender. The electric motor in the wheel would generate heat and we would also have reflected sunlight off the astronaut as he worked on the fender.

    Put some duct tape in the oven and try to work with it with rubber gloves on - let me know how that works out for you... :roll:
     
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    Hyperbole. Your useless and very ignorant understanding of thermal dynamics and the engineering setup of the LRV is obvious. The missions landed in lunar morning where the surface is lower than maximum temperature and only receiving incident IR.

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_N4XvePkmKjA/TChNeUV4iDI/AAAAAAAAAOw/YDByFWIxUVA/s1600/Black+Body+Moon.jpg

    Comparing a vacuum to an oven is moronic. Comparing rubber gloves to the Apollo gauntlets is moronic. Suggesting duct tape is not going to work at those temperatures is moronic. Suggesting the sealed unit housing the motors would somehow increase the fender temperature is moronic. Suggesting tires are going to get hotter than the ambient surface temperature through friction is moronic, they are half in the shade at all times. The fender is receiving low incident IR from the morning Sun, some is going to be in shade. When sideways on most of it is in shade!

    The fender attachment(maps) is what is having the duct tape to hold it together. It is held on to the fender by clamps.

    You are clueless.
     
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    You disagree with him in your interpretation. He maintains that the dust that's kicked up by the rover in this video...


    ...has to be in a vacuum because it would be impossible to put large-grained dust-free sand on a movie set without causing enough erosion to create enough dust to cause a dust cloud when the sand is driven over (which is so lame that it destroyed his credibility).

    Look at what he says here.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-ever-happened.512081/page-29#post-1068254989

    Your interpretation is against what he maintains. If he'd wanted to say that that small areas were possible, he would have said it. You're having a hard time obfuscating this one.

    Anyone who reads what Jay Windley* says can see that he's a paid sophist** who knows the moon missions were faked. He really looked silly here.
    https://forum.cosmoquest.org/showth...racy/page2&s=ebd50d8b8a85b37acfd7c8ed8ddbbfc6

    That thread is a big embarrassment to the pro-Apollo camp. When you defend Jay Windley, all you do is make yourself look silly.


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    http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html
    https://openheartedrebel.com/2012/0...-confessions-of-a-paid-disinformation-poster/
     
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    He is 100% correct. His position is one of expertise. Yours is one of ignorant and pathetic obsession.

    Unbelievable spam Answered already. What he says is 100% correct, only an idiot would claim otherwise.

    No it is not. He was not asked about small areas, and he was not expected to since in the entire Apollo record, we never see such thing.

    You ignorant spammer. Not only do you presume to think your useless opinion outweighs an expert, you now think you know what he wanted to say!

    No I am not. None of the answers I give to very ignorant people like you are hard. You are getting detailed responses to direct claims. None of it is obfuscation. Your spam knows no bounds, you're
    having a hard time finding anything intelligent to say. It really bothers you that your ridiculous straw man doesn't work and you enjoy the fact that you have to lie and be deceitful to cover up where you got butt hurt!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-dust-free-sand-strawman-claim.443515/

    Cornered and cowardly afraid to admit it. THAT is the real issue. What we see, not what you foolishly claim could be done.

    On the contrary. Nobody(except trolls) agrees with you. Nobody who reads that will come to your insane conclusion. Windley is an expert who dismantled every moronic thing you said. Everybody knows the missions were not faked, except a small delusional collective who should refrain from procreating!

    No it is not. Nothing you ever claim causes anyone embarrassment. You are a twisted individual who has encroached into the world of online insanity. There can be no other conclusion, only a mad man would type the same identical things over and over, on multiple forums and spanning 10 years!

    I am not defending Windley, no defense is needed. I am agreeing with him and laugh at you, the mad and ignorant person who thinks they know things when they are just too dumb to know that they don't.

    "In the field of psychology, the DunningKruger effect is a cognitive bias wherein people of low ability suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their cognitive ability as greater than it is."
     
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    All of your rebuttals are just empty hand-waving that don't discredit my arguments. Anyone who takes the time to read everything can see that. This one is the lamest though.
    Hey viewers-

    Make sure you read page #2 of this thread.
    https://forum.cosmoquest.org/showth...racy/page2&s=ebd50d8b8a85b37acfd7c8ed8ddbbfc6

    Can you believe that anyone would say that Jay Windley has credibility after reading that? Disinfo agents never admit anything no matter how lame their positions are. Betamax is such a good debater that he could argue that the earth is flat and win. How long should one stay and debate with a Black Knight?




    The dead link in post #1 of the thread is probably this video.

    Proof China Faked Their Spacewalk (Part 2)
     
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    The appeal to imaginary viewer support. You must be completely deluded if you think anyone except the troll agrees with you. We did get somebody else posting in this thread who found that my posts were indeed kicking you two fools into oblivion.

    You are a liar and a coward. You are afraid to debate Windley and you are afraid to debate me.


    Yet again, the appeal to imaginary viewer support. You keep forgetting that a) you are in fact very ignorant and b) your opinion is biased and useless.

    Indeed I am good at debating. When armed with truth and education and arguing with lying, dishonest idiots, anyone would be!
    The spammer diverts from Apollo back to the when his current spammed argument is taken apart. He simply can offer NO evidence at all to support even his ignorant straw man!
     
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