Trump Smacked Down by SCOTUS Bigtime on LGBT Rights Issue

Give me a damned break! You don't think that Biden is moderate and reasonable? Obama was moderate and reasonable for Christ sake

 

Calm down! Good god you're on a role here . You have shut out any and all positive facts that I presented about Islam in the US. You are blinded by you hatred of Islam and fail to see who your rean enemy is-Trump and his moronic minions that now make up the Republican Party

 

Bovine Excrement! Progressivism goes back to the emergence of the progressive movement let by Teddy Roosevelt in the early 20th century. Progressives are very much patriots in that we want the best that the US can offer to all people- not just members of some imaginary tribe

 

so you would only support him if he was not the worst. But there is no way he'd be the best. But that's wrong when Republicans do it.

A rule for thee but not for me.

that's another checkbox for far-left arrogance.

you would have a point if you were talking about George Bush or Barack Obama.

But your not.

This faux racism crap only exists in your left wing and echo Chambers.

You can't show me anything that backs up this claim.

 

I won't say you're not a patriot I'm not that rude and spiteful.

But when you see progressives when you're talking about people more than just you you're talking about a tribe.


You can say you're not just like you can lie to yourself about Islam but I already know better than you.

 

when you assume my mood is anything but calm based on what I type to come off at the charlatan.

yes because Islam in the US is controlled by US law. That isn't Islam restraining itself that is US law restraining it.

Case in point let's look at Islam where US law doesn't reach.

how dare I hate an ideology that wants to exterminate me and all the people like me.

I should just be all for 100% execution, if me and other people like me. Because anything but that is just blind hatred.

You are ridiculous.

You want me to say that because you're blinded by your hatred of Republicans.

 

Please list all of the American Muslims who have called for your execution; This is about America after all. I am getting bored and frustrated with you

 

I hate what republicans have become, a far cry from the party of Lincoln. It is sad that you don't see that we are really on the same side. I support your quest for rights and equality, yet you vilify me for not being an anti Islamic bigot. You chide me for promoting equality foe American Muslims, many of which are also your ally, as I have documented

 

My beef isn't with Muslims, really it's with the treatment of Muslims. When they execute a gay man or woman in Iran that person is most likely a Muslim.

You're trying to twist criticism of an ideology into bigotry against people. When in reality it's precisely those people being victimized that I have a problem with.

Perhaps your boredom and the frustration comes from wanting to talk at me rather than listen.

I had that same complaint with apologists for Christianity.

I've noticed repeated attempts to pigeonhole from you. I met them equally. And it didn't convince you that I was right when the hell do you think it will convince me that you are correct?

Your frustration and boredom is born out of your inability to be aware of yourself. Other people think different things, and just because they're different doesn't make them wrong.

 

Bovine excrement. Only Us law is restraining Islam for a murderous rampage against gays? How come US law has not restrained the Proud Boys and other racist/ neo Nazi groups from reeking havok. Laws only go so far when it comes to radical ideologies

 

hatred is not the way. If you hate me because of things I think, you will never ever convince me that you're right.

Hatred is so anti progressive. Good is out of compassion that I have conversations with people that I disagree with.

politically speaking we're not you just said you hated the way I thought. that bigotry you express will make sure that I'm never on your side.

Nobody will realize that until you stop hating.

Just like Muslims and Islam you need to learn how to separate ideology from people.

okay you keep confusing Islam with Muslims. The people who are oppressed by Islam are Muslims. Islam is bigotry against Muslims that don't meet a certain purity standards.

So what you're saying when you're calling me a bigot against Islam is you're saying I'm a bigot against bigotry against Muslims.

Are incapable of understanding the ideology and the people and that they're separate. You don't seem to be able to do that.

Maybe it's because I went after one of the leftists sacred cows. Let's try one of your particular scapegoats.

I hate the Christian belief that homosexuals are an abomination.

I don't hate Christians. Even if they believe this.

I can hate the ideology and I love the people how can you not understand this?

You fail to understand this. I am through Ally you are defending what kills them.

American Muslims do not live under the rule of Islam. In fact some of them were fleeing Islam.

When you point out that in our country are free to practice whatever religion they wish you are condemning Islam, under Islamic rule you are not allowed to practice whatever religion you wish.

I don't think you're this ridiculous. You are just confusing ideology with people. It is a form of dehumanization but it's hard not to do.

 

no that's absolute truth why do you think Muslims move here?

Go to Iran under Islam and tell me how free you are.

It does.

Show me where are they are allowed to just kill whoever they want.

Remember if you point out someone who is being charged with a crime the fact that they're being charged with a crime means it's not allowed.

They go plenty far enough. The two dozen neo-nazis that freak you out can't do anyting without facing consequences.

They aren't permitted to murder they'll face charges for that or worse yet lethal Force.

The only havoc that you seem to be talking about is disagreeing with you. People are allowed to do that you are not the dictator.

 

I love how you tell us what muslims believe and what Islam is. First, Islam has a wide and broad set of interpretations, just as every single major faith does, They all pick which of conflicting values traditions and visions as showcased in their scripture, they choose to emphasize, prioritize and which interpretations gain religious popularity depending on all sorts of historic, economic and cultural needs. Sometimes its tolerance, peace, and empathy that are popular because those traits offer a better competitive fit for the time and culture . Sometimes its intolerance, aggressiveness, and retribution, but it will NOT depend on the words sitting in these texts. Any major faith that lasts hundreds of years over vast expanse of geography, will only last with sufficient flexibility to handle diverse need.

Religions are no difference from subspecies of deer. If long legs and large bodies work best in a given bioscope, that is what evolution will produce more of the deer. If short legs and smaller bodies provide advantages, then that is what will be self selected or deer.will reduce their range and numbers. The Islam of Saudia Arabia, of Indonesia and here, will all study the same texts that you want to rely on to promote your agenda as well as members of the faith, but in the long run which is the 'winner' or 'loser' in a specific culture will and must differ to promote the long term viability of the faith. Its the same with political and ideological movements.

I probably will not return to discuss this topic again. This tangent has taken up enough oxygen.

 

I love how people that are triggered by reality I think they're just going to make up stupid s*** and claim I said it and I'm not going to know.

I never said what Muslims believe this pathetic attempt at a straw man is pathetic and banal.

assuming Islam is adherence to scripture, it seems the people that do what the Quran says adhere to scripture more than the people who flagrantly disobey it.

it isn't my definition of Islam, it is Islam's definition of Islam.

yet countries that are ruled by Islamic values don't do empathy. Or they call extermination empathy.

So pointing out Muslims that fled Islam don't believe the **** they were running away from underscores Islam as a problem.

so when they throw gay men off a cliff or behead apostates exactly as the Quran prescribes. It's not the prescription of the Quran its aggressiveness?

I guess one a Christian tells me that homosexuality is an abomination it has nothing to do with Leviticus 18:22 where it says precisely that.

It's just all the great big coincidence.

Lolol

or significant dominance.

Right, if sharp teeth and long claws give a predator Dominion over its prey, it will always have sharp teeth and long claws.

Survival and dominance of the fittest doesn't care about human rights.

Your model is absolutely apt I agree with it 100%. It is dominance of the one with the power and the desire to use it.

I' m just not that nihilistic. I believe in human rights and the value of human life.

 

Right you just come in here make a straw man. Point out that might equals right in the evolutionary sense, and then run away.

You can say it's a waste of oxygen to save face. But nobody believes that horseshit but you.

it wasn't a waste of oxygen to come out here and rent or you felt it that oxygen had such little value.

This is why you people are losing and throwing fits in the street you can't do anything else you're wrong.

 

I truly believe that Leviticus has ZERO to do with homophobia in the Christian Church. Neither does Paul's letter in the New Testament. All I have to do is copy and paste some sermons by clerics of affirming and inclusive congregations which are gaining in prominence and acceptance all over Europe, South and Central America and the states and you will see plenty of scripture allowing Christianity to sway with the civil rights winds - or sway back. Same is true for Islam. Its all there somewhere in those Jewish, Christian and Islamic texts to prioritize, re-interpret, and minimize according to evolutionary benefit. And being as your agenda forms what you cherry pick about Christianity the same as those pastors, its no surprise your agenda does the same for Islam.

Major religions could not grow and thrive for hundreds and hundreds of years all over the globe, without the textual tools to remain flexible. its not primarily the religion that is the problem. its the cultural, historic and economic soil in which it is growing. That is why Christianity is a different beast in rural Mississippi than it is in New York. Same will be true of Islam in the States and Islam in Kuwait.

 

The homophobia? I wasn't really talking about that but okay.

It does have everything to do with Christan doctrine because that's what it is.

all this does show a culture evolving past textual adherence it dates back to the Renaissance actually.

in places outside of Islamic rule perhaps.

get one of these things is not like the other.

I wonder if would I be executed for blasphemy in Norway? Would I be executed for apostasy in Jerusalem?

Yeah I'm just cherry picking 95% of Islamic ruled countries. I guess if I point out theocracy that's Christian I would be cherry-picking Uganda in the Ethiopia too.

I never understood how citing examples is cherry-picking but here we are.

 

Christian 'doctrine' is not sitting atop pillars of words cemented deep into the soil. Its a MASH unit that picks up stakes and moves as needed. So is Islamic doctrine. Textual adherence DOES NOT exist and never did, because the texts themselves are subject to interpretation based on all sorts of divergent strategies and methods, and prioritization of these sections of text are unavoidable because their message and values are contradictory, and what constitutes 'adherence' itself is subjective.

Bascially, you got nothing sturdy to adhere the scriptures to.

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Depends on the sect. For some it most certainly is

just because you think this is how it should be doesn't mean that's how it is.

Yeah I agree adherence is subjective to some degree. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

so there's no such thing as zealotry. Who knew all of history was so wrong. There's no cult Scientology isn't the thing because interpretations of text is subjective.