Trump son met Russian lawyer after promise of damaging info. on Clinton

Wow. You ARE desperate.

 

On Trump urging Russia to hack Hillary's emails:

The author goes on to speculate how the strong desire by Trump to get a hold of those emails (evident in his quip asking even the Russians to try and find them) would be sufficient an incentive for Putin to order an all-out effort to hack Hillary's server, but by then this was impossible as the FBI had the thing.

 

True, but if she wanted action to be taken on whatever she sent, she may have preferred not to use "snail mail". Also, using her "official" DoS email would not enable transmission of officially classified contents without a record and she would have needed to prevent a record being made of her classified transmissions.

 

"Golly wilikers" this is part of the problem, liberals throughout the campaign and still today take Trump's statements a bit too literally: Do you really think Trump would actually grab ***** too? He once did say he did! Does Trump really believe all Mexicans are rapists and drug smuggling bad hombres? That all Muslims are terrorists?

One of the things that got Trump elected was his plain speaking, not this canned all-inclusive PC verbiage we get from Hillary, he blurts out the basic idea, it resonates and the critical left swoons holding their heads in distress.

 

All this talk of "treason" by the same Deep State advocates that sat silent while much of our production was being deported and our uranium rights being pieced out, not to mention the big assist to Saudi in exporting Wahhabbism to us and our already acclimated US Muslim population, makes me laugh, quite frankly. Until recently these clowns had forgotten what treason was.

 

I already pointed out why. They were born into a generation that was more conservative. Chances are those old people were even more conservative when they were young.

The fact that a generation has some famous liberals does not make a generation more liberal. The current generation is more liberal than those baby boomers.

 

Don Jr. has told so many lies about this meeting. It wasn't about adoptions. If he says this was the only meetings Team Trump had with Russia, he's lying again.

 

But you are incorrect. The baby boomers were the most Liberal youth generation in history, and are now one one of the most conservative. What in the world are you on about? Do you actually think that the 1960's was a conservative generation? I don't even...who tells you this stuff, and why do you fall for it???

Also, you are WRONG again on the current youth generation. The current youth are more conservative than the two prior generations (all youth generations are more Liberal than Conservative however). Dude, get some facts before you open your mouth. You are making a fool of yourself.

 

So what?

 

Exactly. He is just taking after his father.

 

The meeting seems like a typical initial spycraft, the musical agent, lawyer and the oligarch delegate are all interchangeable cutouts, others could have as easily played those roles, none are actual intelligence agents, the purpose of the effort is to determine interest and willingness to participate. Junior's response to Goldstone's initial contact was favorable, nobody reported the offer of dirt on Hillary to the FBI, so the meeting was set up. At the meeting it seems Junior and the the others were disappointed, we don't know what happened with whatever information the lawyer may have left behind in a folder (not clear if she actually did leave anything behind, and we don't know what was in that folder).

 

I want the damaging info. Where is it? I see the left pissing their pants over and over with self denial but I'm still wanting actual facts. Either way, bring it.

 

That about covers it but it stays in the media for months; a combination of propaganda and hysteria. It's demeaning to even discuss this topic anymore.

 

I don't see the evidence of this email exchange as damning as anti-Trumpers do.

I note the 'dirt' is characterized as "official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary..." and "high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and it's government's support for Mr. Trump" -by Rob Goldstone, who, after all is just a musical agent. Rob Goldstone, as the agent for this Azerbayani singer son of some oligarch friend of Putin, would want to characterize the information in a manner that would make it seem most interesting to Trump in his campaign.

Every description of the meeting I've seen indicates the Russian lawyer started off describing records of Russian donations to Hillary's campaign (those would be illegal) but the lawyer had no evidence to prove these contributions, said Trump's team would have to "research" this. Junior, Kushner and Manafort lost interest early on and the lawyer got into the Magnitsky Act (she's an expert on this). Trump's team discussed removing restrictions on Russian adoptions (imposed by Russia in retaliation for Magnitsky).

Junior's interest in Hillary dirt does not seem unusual or unnatural, that Junior answers Goldstone with "if its what you say I love it" suggests he was skeptical, but hopeful.

I note how Trump's critics highlight the fact Hillary's emails began leaking a few weeks after this meeting, but note those leaks had nothing to do with the evidence it is said this Russian lawyer presented. The emails had to do with Hillary sending classified information, colluding with media, cheating with debate questions... the Russian lawyer's dirt was about Russian donations to Hillary's campaign.

We haven't seen much evidence of what the Russian lawyer said she had, there were no leaks of Russian contributions to Hillary's campaign. It is possible the Russian lawyer had evidence that could show Hillary received campaign contributions from Russia, but Trump did not make use of that evidence, nor did Russian agents leak this so that it became public.

I don't think this Russian lawyer is as connected to the Russian government as portrayed, if she was why didn't she offer the sort of Hillary 'dirt' shown on Wikileaks a few weeks later? Well, maybe she really was a Russian government agent, but that was all she had (which means the Wikileaks dirt wasn't Russian).

 

IMO your post illustrates perfectly the dangers we face from the sententious, logically challenged judges the Left has been foisting on the nation. How many of them would actually put up with the careful analysis necessary to arrive at the truth, and how many would simply make a snappy SJW political decision?

 

Because you say so? I do note that's all you ever have to back up your claims.

Again, no.

It was absolutely more conservative than the current generation.

I'll type slowly, so that maybe even you can grasp it.

Relatively few baby boomers were hippies. The fact that you saw some hippies on the TV does not mean most baby boomers were hippies.

You're just spouting nonsense you can't back up, and hoping no one calls you on it. But I'm calling you on it, which is why you're now flailing around so helplessly.

 

"Baby boomers" are those born after World War 2 until about 1964, Wiki says about 76 million people were born in the US between 1946 and 1964.

Typically the baby boom generation is divided in two equal halves; before and after 1955. Those born before 1955 are considered more liberal, they produced the hippies, protested against Vietnam; those born after 1955 may have been impacted more by the 1973 Oil Embargo.

 

The first thing one should establish is that there are TWO 'dirts' on Hillary; the one we all know about which presumably cost her the election was published by Wikileaks; the other we know very little about and was referred to by this Russian lawyer at that meeting Goldstone arranged with Junior, Kushner and Manafort, this dirt was described as evidence relating to Russian financial contributions to Hillary's campaign.

We know the substance of the dirt published on Wikileaks; it is claimed (though not unquestionably established) that this dirt was hacked by "Guccifer 2.0", who is suspected of ties to Russia, but not known to be a Russian government agent. Wikileaks will not disclose the source of the leaked dirt on Hillary that they published, but assert categorically it was not from the Russian government or their intelligence apparatus. Wikileaks received and published reams of detrimental information relating to Hillary from three sources; Hillary's own illicit private server and email, Podesta's email and the DNC server. No doubt the hacking of this information was illegal, but it does provide unquestionable evidence of criminal activity by Hillary and people in her campaign team as well as others working for her election.

"Dirt Two", the lure to get Junior, Kushner and Manafort to meet with this Russian lawyer who wanted to discuss the Magnitsky Act, had nothing to do with the dirt subsequently published by Wikileaks. The Russian lawyer only briefly described the dirt she claimed to have; she said it came from the Russian prosecutor's office, that providing it was evidence of the Russian government's support for Trump's campaign and that it related to contributions from Russians to Hillary's campaign. One would surmise this evidence would consist of financial transaction records, wire and electronic banking transfers between Russian accounts and those of entities associated with Hillary's campaign. We don't know whether the records the Russian lawyer said she had show what she claimed, she said Trump's team would need to research this.

At the time of the meeting it was already known Hillary had sent and received classified emails using an unsecured private server, the FBI was investigating this, Hillary's team denying it or claiming the emails sent were of a personal nature, had been lost or destroyed, some were submitted, 30,000 emails had vanished, her server had been tampered with by her own IT contractor, her lawyers were scrutinizing emails before releasing them to the FBI. The FBI eventually seized Hillary's private server and Trump famously invited Russian help in finding those missing emails.

One would reasonably expect Junior, Kushner and Manafort went to this meeting hoping to get the missing 30,000 emails, evidently as soon as the Russian lawyer started describing financial records of Russian campaign contributions to Hillary, they lost interest, this wasn't what they were there for. The Russian lawyer had hoped interest in this dirt would induce cooperation repealing Magnitsky and Trump's team instead focused on overturning retaliatory restrictions on Russian adoptions.

The subsequent release to Wikileaks of hacked emails from Hillary, Podesta and the DNC may be mere coincidence since this material had nothing to do with what the Russian lawyer offered, we have nothing that ties her (or the Russians) to the Wikileaks -other than a tenuous connection via "Guccifer 2.0". We certainly don't have anything to show some agreed to exchange from Trump or his team, no promises of any special concessions, lifting of sanctions, cooperation in Syria, NATO pullbacks... no smoking gun.

 

Something of value?